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I am – Hercules!!
Jane Espenson makes us laugh so very hard. BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER is the finest TV show ever created, and Jane was its secret weapon: the best and funniest BUFFY writer not named Joss Whedon.
Joining the show with its third season, Jane received teleplay credit on a whopping 22 episodes, more than anyone save executive producers Whedon and Marti Noxon.
Before hooking up with the slayer circle, young Jane served on the writing staffs of sitcoms like ELLEN (during its final, best, “lesbian” season) and SOMETHING SO RIGHT and penned episodes for genre hourlongs like STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE and NOWHERE MAN. Subsequent to joining the BUFFY staff she wrote two early installments of ANGEL as well as the third episode of Whedon's short-lived FIREFLY.
Here’s janeespenson.com to fill in a few useful details:
Jane Espenson grew up in Ames, Iowa where she watched too much television. At age 13 she attempted to write an episode of M*A*S*H. It didn't work out. She attended college at UC Berkeley, studying linguistics as an undergrad and graduate student. While in grad school she submitted spec episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and got her tiny foot wedged in the last open door of show business. After winning a spot in the Walt Disney writers' fellowship, she worked in sitcoms for a number years. Her first staff job at a drama was her job at Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Thanks to her success there, she's now working on Gilmore Girls as Co-Executive Producer. She often tells people she has the best job in the world.
Jane’s BUFFY output includes:
- BAND CANDY (Giles and Joyce revert to unruly teens),
- EARSHOT (Buffy develops telepathy),
- HARSH LIGHT OF DAY (Anya gets seriously serious about Xander),
- PANGS (Xander gets the funny syphilis),
- A NEW MAN (Giles becomes a demon),
- SUPERSTAR (Jonathan turns superhero),
- THE REPLACEMENT (Xander gets Xeroxed),
- TRIANGLE (Anya’s troll-god ex is summoned),
- CHECKPOINT (the Watchers Council invades Sunnydale),
- I WAS MADE TO LOVE YOU (the slayer faces the Aprilbot),
- INTERVENTION (Spike gets his Buffybot),
- AFTER LIFE (we learn Buffy was yanked from Heaven),
- FLOODED (Buffy stresses over plumbing),
- LIFE SERIAL (the slayer defeats a persistent mummy hand),
- SAME TIME, SAME PLACE (Dawn becomes a poseable action figure),
- CONVERSATIONS WITH DEAD PEOPLE (The First is mean!),
- FIRST DATE (Giles terrifies the Chinese potential with homemade flashcards), and
- END OF DAYS (Angel clocks Caleb).
Questions were emailed to Jane roughly six at a time. Her first set of responses arrived June 5; her last June 26.
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AICN: It makes Herc dizzy with rage to think there’s a
you-authored BUFFY: THE ANIMATED SERIES episode
gathering dust somewhere. Can you give us its title
and some vague idea of what it deals with?
JANE: I actually wrote more than one of these! One of them was called TEENY,
in which Buffy got all shrunk up itsy-bitsy. This was great fun
because it allowed us to accomplish visuals that would've been impossible
with live action. The episode was about feelings of insecurity and
obscurity that most of us faced in high school -- a return to the very
metaphorical story-telling of seasons one and two of Buffy. Another one that
I wrote was called FOOD FIGHT, in which the cafeteria food was
revolting (hee hee). This had a cool series of scenes in which spaghetti
coalesced itself into a big wiggly demon. And a third episode, whose title
is escaping me, (maybe THE BACK ROOM???), involved Buffy being stopped
by a security guard for shoplifting and being taken to the store's back
room, which was actually a passage to a scary netherworld of judgment
and punishment. This one was the last one I wrote, and I never got
notes for a rewrite on it, so it may not show up on any sort of list of
completed scripts.
AICN: In TEENY, how small did Buffy get? Thumbelina small? Honey, I Shrunk the Slayer small? Beating up white blood cells small? And did she run into a sib of the demon from “Fear Itself”?
JANE: Buffy got Barbie-doll sized teeny and yes, she did face a small demon, a Roika demon
which was described as being the size of a Scottie dog.
Hope this helps!
AICN: Not to obsess, but will mankind ever get to read
this lost work? Or will it remain crated up forever
inside some cavernous Fox warehouse, awaiting the
attention of “top men” who will never come?
JANE: I suspect mankind's gonna get screwed on this one. The scripts belong
to Fox. I never understood why this series was never produced.
AICN: Was Dawn Summers, as Eric Wight’s drawings
suggest, to be an ongoing component of the animated
series?
JANE: Interestingly, yes. The animated series was set during season one of
the live-action series, in which Dawn did not exist, AND YET, she is in
the animated series as a... what would she have been?... as a ten or
eleven year old. This means, of course, that these are BUFFY'S MEMORIES
of what happened during season one... a glimpse into the revised
history created by those darn monks. Neat, huh?
AICN: Leaving aside for the moment the many filmed
entertainments on which you yourself have labored,
what do you believe to be the finest hourlong series
ever crafted for American television?
JANE: Hmmm. Good one. I liked MOONLIGHTING, NORTHERN EXPOSURE, TWIN PEAKS, STARSKY AND HUTCH, LAW & ORDER, L.A. LAW, even some of the glory years
of GENERAL HOSPITAL. And I have this feeling I'm forgetting some
winners. I missed CHINA BEACH, but I know I would've adored it. You know,
I've just gotta go with my first instinct: MOONLIGHTING was funny,
innovative, genre-busting chaos. Also, apparently, unsustainable. Sigh.
note: I just returned to this question to add MONTY PYTHON, but I see
that you have cleverly specified American television... you win this
round, Hercules.
AICN: You were maybe seven when STARSKY went off the
air, yes?
JANE: Um, yeah... let's say that.
AICN: I fully share your admiration of MOONLIGHTING,
NORTHERN EXPOSURE, L.A. LAW and MONTY PYTHON, and TWIN
PEAKS was my all-time favorite show before stupid
BUFFY came along. If I told you I found LAW & ORDER
maddeningly bland, would you look at me like I was on
mescaline?
JANE: Oooh. Fightin' words. I love the way LAW AND ORDER doesn't always put
their heroes on the side of good. And sometimes they win, sometimes
they lose and sometimes for the wrong reasons. I also think it's
interesting that there is a series that has remained story-driven in its,
what, sixtieth season, right? If not for them, I would argue that all
shows eventually become soap operas about the lives of the characters.
LAW AND ORDER does what it does and does it well. It may simply be that
you're mistaking consistency for blandness, how 'bout that, fella?
AICN: Are you wholly satisfied being one of TV’s most
talented, beloved and sought-after scribes, or does
ambition drive you these days to create your own
potential pilot and feature scripts?
JANE: Blushing from the praise, then collecting myself...
Pilots yes, features no. I've been dipping my brain into the waters of
the pilot-fountain more and more these days, and I have a few notions
that I'm starting to love. Some are in the Buffy mold, in that they've
got extra-normal elements that symobolize ordinary life metaphorically.
Others are more realistic. If I create a show, it would be an hour and
it would be funny. At least, it would be intended to be funny...
whether you actually laugh is up to you.
I'm committed to working exclusively for The GILMORE GIRLS this season,
without any "development component" to my deal. That means no pilots.
But next year... mmm... look out.
AICN: What was the most entertaining non-musical released
to U.S. moviehouses last year?
JANE: Oh my. I'm really a TV person, not a movie person. But you know what
I liked? Rob Schneider in THE HOT CHICK ... not a masterpiece, but
hooo! Some funny moments! Could it be that this is why I'm not a movie
person?
AICN: Do you share my confusion about
why so much TV (which is piped into our homes for
free) is better than so many movies (which often
involve driving, and babysitters and the buying of
tickets)? As the amazing BUFFY cast slowly
segues into features, I’m frequently appalled by how
much better it was served by its small-screen scripts.
JANE: I think it's very natural that TV is better. The system of making
television allows for strong individual voices, like Joss's. Movies are
always made by committees, and the writer is not at the head of the
committee. Thus, mush.
AICN: You wrote the Dawn scenes in CONVERSATIONS WITH DEAD PEOPLE. Now that BUFFY is no more, some fans
wonder what Joyce was talking about when she said,
“Buffy won’t choose you.” But surely that was
just The First messing with Dawnie’s head, yes?
JANE: Yes indeed.
AICN: How big a BUFFY fan were you before you landed on
the show’s staff? Were you hooked from WELCOME TO THE HELLMOUTH, or did a particular episode make you sit up and start paying much closer attention?
JANE: I was a huge Buffy fan before I got the job. But I didn't watch from
the very start. A friend of mine told me to watch, so I half-heartedly
tuned in...and fell in love. I was hooked by THE PACK and by TED --
those are the ones where I have specific memories of watching and saying,
I need this show to exist for the world to be a good place. When I
decided to make the transition from comedy writer to drama writer, my
agent asked me what show would represent my Dream Job. I said BUFFY.
AICN: You’ve stated you prefer to write the “funny
stuff” on BUFFY. So why did you decide in 1999 that
you wanted to make the leap from sitcoms to drama?
Well??
JANE: I had just finished up a year on ELLEN, which I found to be an
amazingly wonderful experience. She made everything we wrote better and the
room was kind and efficient. Usually, on a sitcom, you consider yourself
lucky to be home by midnight, and you often work 'til two or three in
the morning. On ELLEN, we wrote good scripts, rewrote them cleverly and
were home at nine. When ELLEN ended, I realized I'd be going back to
normal sitcom room, and I found it hard to take. Plus, if there was a
chance I could work on a show like BUFFY...
I was widely told not to make the jump, that I'd be starting over on
the drama side, that I'd lose all the status I'd established in comedy.
But I did it anyway, and haven't looked back. And on BUFFY we were
home by six.
AICN: You call yourself more a “TV person” than a
“movie person.” How much TV does Jane Espenson
watch? Were you a fan of GILMORE GIRLS from the
onset? Do you watch all three LAW AND ORDERs? What
about ALIAS and 24?
JANE: I watch a lot of TV, but I find that recently it's largely oddball
stuff: IRON CHEF and JUNKYARD WARS and the History channel (they have this
English thing called TIME TEAM), and THE AMAZING RACE. Scripted stuff
sometimes feels like homework, like I'm scoping out the competition or
something. I do indeed watch all three L AND O's -- maybe because
they're so darn story-driven they don't feel like what I do, so they're
less like work. I have watched quite a few eps of ALIAS and 24, but have
failed to be drawn into either of them... I didn't put in the effort to
bond with them. I did not watch GILMORE until recently, but now I
adore it... so much funny for the simple sake of funny, and such
affectionately drawn characters. It's a show with a great heart to it without
being religious schmaltz. I enjoy MONK when I catch it, and I like WILL
AND GRACE because it's willing to be goofy and outlandish.
AICN: What about the “non-scripted” shows? Are you
watching BIG BROTHER this summer? Does JOE
MILLIONAIRE, AMERICAN IDOL or the ROAD RULES/REAL
WORLD CHALLENGE do anything for you?
JANE: I loved AMERICAN IDOL (Clay! Clay! Clay!). I love THE AMAZING RACE
and SURVIVOR -- they are glories of storytelling-through-editing. I
watched JOE MILLIONAIRE and most of THE BACHELOR, but the
relationship-based ones are begining to fade for me. I think this is probably true for
America, too. I'm getting that same feeling I had when WHO WANTS TO BE
A MILLIONAIRE reached saturation point. The pendulum is about to swing
back. The best examples of the genre will survive, and the MR.
PERSONALITYs are gonna go away and we'll all be the better for it.
AICN: BUFFY, for my money, is the funniest TV series
ever broadcast. Since your facility with comedy is so
famed, were you ever tapped to “funny-up” the
teleplays of others? Or was that strictly young Mr.
Whedon’s gig?
JANE: I would love to be hired to do punch-up for movies. But I have never
once been approached about it. My agent tells me that studios have
their sort of “designated” guys, who get all the punch-up work and that
they aren't really searching for new people in this area. But just in
case someone sees this who does have a need of this kind... I'M HERE!
HIRE ME TO PUNCH UP YOUR FILM! I WILL MAKE WITH THE FUNNY-TYPE WORDS!
AICN: At the ANGEL event at the Museum of TV & Radio a
few years ago, Joss Whedon mentioned the original plan
was to bring Spike AND Dru back as regulars for
BUFFY’s fourth season, but Juliet Landau turned out
to be too busy to return. Do you think Buffy and
Spike would have eventually coupled-up anyway had Dru
returned?
JANE: Oh yeah. Joss doesn't like to leave any couple together too long.
We'd already seen what Spike and Dru were like as a couple. If she'd
returned I think we'd've played 'em like an interesting divorced couple -- a bit of heat and love still there between them, but mostly challenged into conflict and jealousy.
AICN: You joining GILMORE GIRLS seems, admittedly, like
a perfect match – but, wait a minute, maybe too
perfect. GILMORE GIRLS is already probably the
funniest show left on television. It frankly doesn’t
need a Jane Espenson the way, say, a BOSTON PUBLIC or
EVERWOOD might. Why did you decide to join GILMORE
GIRLS instead of a show in desperate need of your
comic acumen? And, hey missy, weren’t you going to
work for THE OC at some point?
JANE: I did work for THE OC, during all of hiatus. My work there ended
when GILMORE began. I helped them plan stories and I wrote a script which
is intended to air as the third episode. And thus, off to Gilmore.
Hmm... now the interesting question...
Do they want big funny on BOSTON PUBLIC? Probably not so much. A show
has to still feel like that show. And it's not like the people at
Gilmore are sitting around going, "we're so funny, we sure don't need
another jokesmith around here, let's get one a' them real serious
writers."
AICN: You got your foot in the showbiz door via STAR
TREK’s unique open submission policy. How big a STAR TREK geek are you,
anyway?
JANE: Only medium sized. I loved original TREK and TNG, and watched the
early years of DS9, but then I kinda stopped. Here's a measure: I know
who wrote THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES. I know who invented the warp
drive. I own a copy of Brent Spiner's album. I think I remember Spock's
mothers maiden name. But I don't know who played Tom Paris. I don't
know what the nacelles do. I don't know the name of the episode where
Kirk switched bodies with the woman and spent the episode swanning about
and getting hysterical.
AICN: Okay, smarty-pants. What was Spock's mother's
maiden name? And while we're at it, in which U.S.
state was Jim Kirk born?
JANE: Well, Jim Kirk was born in Iowa like all right-thinking people.
And (refraining from looking it up) I think Spock's mom was Amanda
Grayson????
AICN: You get a call tomorrow from Les Moonves. “Jane,”
Les purrs in an inexplicably Montalbanian accent,
“this coming season is the last for poor ENTERPRISE.
We start over with a new TREK series in autumn 2004
and I must insist you take complete creative control
of the franchise!” And you have to, because in this
scenario Les has photos of your boyfriend doing
ghastly things to Miss Kitty Fantastico. What fresh
STAR TREK premise do you pitch?
JANE: Man oh man, these are fun questions. Well, I think the best way to
freshen it is to stop freshening it so damn much. The original worked.
It had stand-alone adventures on planets that illustrated the human
condition metaphorically (much the way Buffy's demons are employed), and it
had CONFLICT BETWEEN A SMALL NUMBER OF REGULAR CHARACTERS!!! I don't
know why we just accept this mandate that there's no conflict among our
team. That was not in the original -- Spock vs. McCoy as the warring
left and right brain of Kirk was the perfect physicalization of Kirk's
internal conflicts. (And by the way, Spock was not emotional because of
his human side... he just didn't realize how many of the emotions he
struggled with were natural to Vulcans, so stop playing them so damn
dull.) So... something like that.
Now, that's still pretty vague. So let's see if we can put some skin
on those bones. How about a very young male captain, 23, fresh out of
the academy, still learning his stuff. He's teamed with a more
experienced "number one" who thinks this is his chance to command, because he
can control this kid -- but he does it with total charm and a
straightforward excitement about space that's infectious to everyone. Working
against this likably manipulative person is a woman, maybe a reformed
Romulan-type or similar, the head science officer or councellor perhaps,
and she encourages the kid captain to take charge, guides him. Is she
genuine, or is she hoping he'll make mistakes? The captain believes in
her. Usually.
And there's a Ferengi, because they're funny; and there is a
Spock/Data/doctor character too, someone to observe and admire humans and try to
be like us, because that always touches my heart. Maybe it's a human
who was raised in an alien culture and finds himself unable to find his
own humanity now?? Have they done that?
I don't know if any of this would work, but that's my first five
minutes of thinking about it.
AICN: Speaking of pitches, when it became clear that
Sarah Michelle Gellar had made up her mind about “no
season eight,” did Joss invite the writers in to pitch
spinoffs? We’ve all heard rumors of SLAYER SCHOOL and
KUNG FAITH. Were any other cool ideas floated (and
perhaps soundly rejected)?
JANE: I think Marti talked with him about Slayer School and Tim Minear talked
with him about Faith on a Motorcycle. I assume there was some
back-and-forth pitching. None of the rest of us got involved except for that
moment once a day when I'd yell out... MAYBE JONATHAN ISN'T ALL THAT
DEAD! HE COULD GET BETTER!
AICN: How much Nerd of Doom is in you generally? You’ve
written many a comic book now; do you read them as
well? Do you harbor an abiding crush on Jango Fett?
Do you keep a calendar in your desk which counts down
the days to RETURN OF THE KING? Will
you admit to owning an action figure?
JANE: Hmm. I like Alan Moore's comics, but I don't really keep up with 'em.
I love STAR WARS, but I don't even care that much if Greedo shot first
or not. I like what I like, and there's Trek in there and Ray Bradbury
and THE TWILIGHT ZONE and MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATRE, and QUANTUM LEAP but
I'm not Tivoing FARSCAPE reruns or anything.
AICN: Tell us your favorite TWILIGHT ZONE episode!
JANE: Oh, I'm not sure. Prob'ly one of the Shatners.
AICN: Again, leaving aside the folks who have paid you
actual money, who are your comedy heroes?
JANE: Oooh...Monty Python, of course. Woody Allen -- the movies and the
books (read Without Feathers). Um, oh, I just read Cold Comfort Farm by
Stella Gibbons -- hilarious. PG Wodehouse. I like old Danny Kaye
movies -- the funny songs are brilliant. I like old Smothers Brothers
routines, and the Marx Brothers comedies, and I think YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN may
be the funniest movie ever, so add Mel Brooks. Also TOOTSIE. It's
also the funniest movie ever. And GROUNDHOG DAY is too. Ellen DeGeneres
has paid me money, but that woman can get a laugh with any materal.
Fantastic.
And how about The Lovely Bones? Funny, huh?
AICN: You hit Woody Allen, John Cleese (sorta) and Bill
Murray (sorta) -- three of the Big Five. What about
Albert Brooks and Steve Martin? Are you too much the
squirt to have seen REAL LIFE or MODERN ROMANCE or
THE ABSENT-MINDED WAITER?
JANE: Oohh... yeah, I shoulda included those. Albert Brooks and Steve Martin
are both smart-funny. Which is the best kind of funny. ROXANNE has
genuine brilliance in it.
AICN: Sitcoms once loomed very large in your life.
Leaving aside DINOSAURS and everything else on your
resume, what’s the best American sitcom ever? CHEERS
maybe? THE SIMPSONS? LARRY SANDERS? Something else
entirely? (I pointedly remind you that FAWLTY TOWERS
is a British show. Made in Britain. And therefore
not eligible.)
JANE: THE SIMPSONS, I believe, wins this easily. But, being animated, it's a
little different. For a traditional, multiple camera, studio show...
Well, SEINFELD changed the medium forever -- they reinvented the
situation. But FRIENDS has the better jokes. And FRASIER the best
character dynamics. And when you add the old ones, LUCY and DICK VAN DYKE ...
And then I find myself turning to ones that weren't exactly great, but
that gave me the personal giggles... like PERFECT STRANGERS (Oh! That
Balki!)
SIMPSONS. That's my answer.
AICN: Talk for a minute about your secret origins. Were
your folks academics or corn farmers? What Saturday
morning cartoon shook your world? Which John Hughes
character were you in high school? How is it you
almost wound up a linguist?
JANE: Oh my. My dad's an academic, my mom's a retired personnel director for
the university. But we did enjoy the fresh Iowa corn. Mmmm.
I liked all the cartoons, but I have a special fondness for the
live-action LAND OF THE LOST. They were on this routine expedition and they
met the greatest earthquake ever known, you see...
And if we're talking Breakfast Club, I'm certainly not Molly Ringwald.
Ally Sheedy is closer, but that's still not it. Anthony Michael Hall
-- that's it! I was really quite a lot like him, only a girl. A little
young for my age, kinda nerdy, not always conscious of how I looked
while I was thinking...
And I almost wound up a linguist because words are coool, man.
AICN: What was dad’s field of study?
JANE: My father teaches chemistry at
Iowa State University.
AICN: One of the many things I loved about Tom
Shales and James Miller’s newish book on SATURDAY
NIGHT LIVE was how it revealed which sketches Jim Downey
wrote, which Al Franken wrote, which Robert Smigel
wrote, which Tim Herlihy wrote, and so on. I know
this is asking a lot, but as a public service and for
the sake of future BUFFY scholars, could you reveal
which acts you wrote on your collaborations with Doug
Petrie, David Fury and Marti Noxon? Pleeeeeeeeeease?
JANE: I'll try for the ones I remember:
a) 4.11 DOOMED (with David and Marti).
We broke it into thirds. I think I did act two and the beginning of act three. I'm pretty sure it was the middle third, anyway.
b) 5.12 CHECKPOINT (with Doug).
I know I did the intercutty interview with the watchers part.
c) 6.4 FLOODED (with Doug).
We both did all of it, rewriting each other wholesale right on top of
each other.
d) 6.5 LIFE SERIAL(with David).
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