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Moriarty’s BUZZKILL! Who Is (NOT) Playing Freddy Krueger? And BATMAN 3 Again... Already!

Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here.

I didn’t say rumors are bad as an absolute.

Of course they’re not. Discussion of rumors is a big part of being a movie fan. Has been as long as I’ve been a movie fan. And I would never, under any circumstance, say “never ever listen to a rumor.” That’s just silly, and if that’s what it sounded like I was saying in the last “Buzzkill,” then I’m sorry.

Rumors are fun. Rumors inspire people to think imagine what might be down the road for us as movie fans. But when something that’s just not true is getting reported as “fact” everywhere, it can’t hurt to add some perspective to that. I’ve actually heard fans get angry talking about a film because some rumor from before it came out turned out not to be true, and that strikes me as a little crazy. That’s why I’d rather try to offer up a counterpoint to some of these rumors sometimes, instead of just letting them get set in stone.

A good example would be this story about Billy Bob Thornton signing on to play Freddy for the new remake of A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET.

Thing is... it’s not true.

If you go into any talkback for the last two days, there are dozens of people who have been printing and reprinting that rumor as “fact,” and they’ve been e-mailing us repeatedly as well. The story’s been printed all over the place, and as best as I can source it, everything leads back to some off-hand comment from Robert Englund about how Thornton would be good in the role. But let’s say it was more definite than that. Let’s say Englund specifically said, “Thornton has been signed for the role and absolutely will play it.” He’s still not the producer of the movie. Right now, the studio’s taking a shot at a script draft. Fuller and Form, the most likely producers for the remake, have been campaigning pretty hard to get the gig in the geek press over the last month or so while discussing their upcoming FRIDAY THE 13th reboot.

Here’s what I think is more likely. Englund likes the notion of Thornton in the role. I know how fond people are of Englund and his work in the whole series, and I’m sure if they announced Englund was coming back again, fans would be fine with that. I think he developed some really bad habits playing it that many times, and I think by the last thirty-seven films or so, Freddy’s been almost fully defanged. He was a stand-up comic with bad skin, not a genuine monster anymore. But it’s Englund’s role. He’s the one person who has played it, and it’s not like Jason or Michael, which are non-verbal performances. Freddy is all about personality. So if they are going to cast a new actor, I’m sure it will make it easier for Englund to be replaced if it’s an actor as acclaimed as Thornton.

In all honestly, I’ve heard that if Fuller and Form are indeed named to produce the film (the earliest point the film would start casting), they’re thinking much, much younger in terms of casting. After all, how many sequels have they made in the series so far? Would you rather start the new series with a 60 year old lead or a 30 year old one? One of the names that keeps coming up when people speculate on casting is Ben Foster, and I’d be willing to bet that’s more in line with the name you’ll actually see signed for the film. For now, I’d guess the Thornton thing has a very, very, very slim likelihood of being true at best.

Same thing with that beautiful BATMAN 3 poster that Alex Billington posted over at FirstShowing.net today.

It’s gorgeous, but again... no one’s started any serious development on the next BATMAN film yet. And there are no firm choices made yet on villains. I know several of you mentioned in the last talkback that Nolan and Goyer originally discussed a trilogy before they wrote BEGINS, and that’s true. There were some rough ideas for the shape of things, but nothing’s set in stone, and even in that original idea, they weren’t married to anything. I like the idea of the Riddler in the third film, and I really like the notion this poster sells of the Riddler as Zodiac. It’s great work, and it’s this kind of speculation that can be a lot of fun while you’re waiting for a film to get released. Just don’t confuse fan enthusiasm and speculation with actual fact. Billington just ran the thing this morning because he enjoyed the look of it so much. I totally get it, and I’m glad he did. It’s cool.

There are other people sending us links to it as “news,” though, and it’s really not. It’s just a fun thing to add to the pile of “wow, wouldn’t this be fun?” as we wait for real news to kick in next year.



Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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How about Batman 4, I want those rumors.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Aug 14th, 2008
10:36:17 PM
?
by YouAreAllMyBastardChildren
Aug 14th, 2008
10:36:35 PM
Total BUZZKILL!
by YouAreAllMyBastardChildren
Aug 14th, 2008
10:38:18 PM
I'm going to the CARTOON in about an hour.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Aug 14th, 2008
10:41:17 PM
FREDDY
by The InSneider
Aug 14th, 2008
10:41:50 PM
InSneider...
by TheRealMoriarty
Aug 14th, 2008
10:43:10 PM
I'd rather there be more Two Face
by Maxer
Aug 14th, 2008
10:45:49 PM
I'd be okay with Ben Foster as Freddy...
by The-Duke-of-New-York
Aug 14th, 2008
10:49:32 PM
That poster is so fucking cool I want it on my wall...
by mefrog
Aug 14th, 2008
10:49:33 PM
They should use that poster
by spectrebeeyatch
Aug 14th, 2008
10:49:54 PM

by sloanist
Aug 14th, 2008
10:51:43 PM
Mori, Buzzkill or not this rumor if you could; Kristen Bell as
by Pennsy
Aug 14th, 2008
10:51:53 PM
Dazzler.
by Pennsy
Aug 14th, 2008
10:52:11 PM
wicked poster...
by Smithys.Bark
Aug 14th, 2008
10:52:45 PM
Thornton as Krueger
by 7Cal
Aug 14th, 2008
10:53:36 PM
Christopher Walken as Darth Bane!! Write it down!!
by TallBoy66
Aug 14th, 2008
10:57:08 PM
Batman 3
by DARTHpatel
Aug 14th, 2008
10:58:21 PM
~~~"HUNT THE DARK KNIGHT" is a better title...~~~
by The Marquis de Side 3
Aug 14th, 2008
10:59:45 PM
This is my favorite new bit on AICN
by beefywhore
Aug 14th, 2008
11:01:34 PM
Penguin, Penguin, Penguin.
by Uncle Stan
Aug 14th, 2008
11:02:54 PM
please not another 1st series Batman villian
by George Newman
Aug 14th, 2008
11:04:49 PM
The Caped Crusader
by mikey mike
Aug 14th, 2008
11:04:55 PM
Marquis de Side
by The-Duke-of-New-York
Aug 14th, 2008
11:06:11 PM
Peter Dinklage=
by Bjoman
Aug 14th, 2008
11:11:19 PM
...The Dark Knight Returns...
by Anti-fanboy
Aug 14th, 2008
11:12:03 PM
After Heath's Joker, Grendel is the only suitable villain for Ba
by Librerarian
Aug 14th, 2008
11:12:41 PM
Heading should read "Batman 3," natch
by Librerarian
Aug 14th, 2008
11:13:17 PM
batman 3
by redkamel
Aug 14th, 2008
11:14:28 PM
WB should hire the guy who made that poster
by dtpena
Aug 14th, 2008
11:17:17 PM
anti-fanboy, on Joker Copycats in 3rd film...
by The Marquis de Side 3
Aug 14th, 2008
11:17:32 PM
Batman4: Return ot Dark Knight
by worldofwarcraft
Aug 14th, 2008
11:17:49 PM
Toby Jones for The Penguin!!!
by SamBlackChvrch21
Aug 14th, 2008
11:18:29 PM
mikey-mike, on CAPED CRUSADER title...
by The Marquis de Side 3
Aug 14th, 2008
11:18:35 PM
Liberarien
by The-Duke-of-New-York
Aug 14th, 2008
11:19:56 PM
Also, Grendel would have to be Hunter Rose
by Librerarian
Aug 14th, 2008
11:20:03 PM
~~~and by the way, GREAT GLAM would be good title too~~~
by The Marquis de Side 3
Aug 14th, 2008
11:20:09 PM
Batman 7, not Batman 3
by greenstyle92
Aug 14th, 2008
11:23:32 PM
rumors are for stupid people who believe everything they read or
by Rupee88
Aug 14th, 2008
11:24:38 PM
Marquis de Side 3
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 14th, 2008
11:25:01 PM
Why not kill two birds with one stone and just cast....
by The Eskimo
Aug 14th, 2008
11:29:04 PM
I said it months ago: transgender Robin!
by BadMrWonka
Aug 14th, 2008
11:29:34 PM
Freddy
by EyeofPolyphemus
Aug 14th, 2008
11:30:16 PM
And has it sunk in yet?.. BB>DK
by worldofwarcraft
Aug 14th, 2008
11:31:04 PM
Catwoman purrs her way in...
by loserguy3000
Aug 14th, 2008
11:33:14 PM
no way it's Jolie
by BadMrWonka
Aug 14th, 2008
11:35:54 PM
D.Vader....
by TheRealMoriarty
Aug 14th, 2008
11:37:59 PM
I too would like to see more of two face.
by GQtaste
Aug 14th, 2008
11:38:44 PM
Englund was great in New Nightmare....
by JediRob
Aug 14th, 2008
11:43:22 PM
MORI
by The InSneider
Aug 14th, 2008
11:48:58 PM
Didn't Nolan say he wanted a lesser known villian?
by TVguy4566
Aug 14th, 2008
11:49:16 PM
P.S.
by TVguy4566
Aug 14th, 2008
11:50:38 PM
thinking Begins is better than Dark Knight means you like crack
by TallBoy66
Aug 14th, 2008
11:51:56 PM
No...
by TheRealMoriarty
Aug 14th, 2008
11:57:22 PM
Jake Gyllinhal can be the next Riddler....
by The Eskimo
Aug 15th, 2008
12:00:37 AM
TVguy4566
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 15th, 2008
12:05:24 AM
NoodlesHahn
by TVguy4566
Aug 15th, 2008
12:14:10 AM
BTW
by TVguy4566
Aug 15th, 2008
12:16:26 AM
What about Shane Black's Lethal Weapon 5?
by Neo Zeed
Aug 15th, 2008
12:18:27 AM
The NEXT BATMAN...
by Banzai Rootskibango
Aug 15th, 2008
12:19:18 AM
Batman 3: CAPED CRUSADER TEASER HERE:
by Darth Dean
Aug 15th, 2008
12:21:34 AM
The ONLY way you could bring the Joker back
by SirLoin
Aug 15th, 2008
12:25:25 AM
No way Dent is dead!
by Judge Briggs
Aug 15th, 2008
12:31:21 AM
Riddler as Zodiak style killer is brilliant!
by Stormwatcher
Aug 15th, 2008
12:38:14 AM
Wow
by dragonfall1221
Aug 15th, 2008
12:39:13 AM
I suggested Zodiac
by Bloo
Aug 15th, 2008
12:42:46 AM
Riddler as Zodiak killer is boring
by INWOsuxRED
Aug 15th, 2008
12:47:07 AM
TVguy4566
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 15th, 2008
12:48:21 AM
Another cool fan-made Riddler poster
by BLEST
Aug 15th, 2008
12:48:44 AM
Bah, just have Superman as the Villian
by hatemphd
Aug 15th, 2008
12:50:03 AM
I think the riddler is a good idea...
by The Eskimo
Aug 15th, 2008
12:52:20 AM
wait a minute
by Vern
Aug 15th, 2008
01:00:23 AM
No Riddler, please. Just bring back Dent
by SpencerTrilby
Aug 15th, 2008
01:18:46 AM
Hush and Deadshot would be perfect...
by spectrebeeyatch
Aug 15th, 2008
01:20:47 AM
And by no Riddler, I specifically (but not exclusively) mean
by SpencerTrilby
Aug 15th, 2008
01:25:17 AM
That's Why...
by TheRealMoriarty
Aug 15th, 2008
01:28:26 AM
clarification
by Bloo
Aug 15th, 2008
01:29:03 AM
Please no Hush...
by blindambition238
Aug 15th, 2008
01:32:25 AM
Foster can do anything, still...
by BadMrWonka
Aug 15th, 2008
01:46:01 AM
Thank God!
by Brody77
Aug 15th, 2008
01:57:41 AM
Best fake poster I've ever seen.
by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.
Aug 15th, 2008
02:06:03 AM
The Batman
by deanbarry
Aug 15th, 2008
02:10:45 AM
Shadow of the Bat
by Dingbatty
Aug 15th, 2008
02:19:16 AM
Shadow of the Bat
by loogenhausen
Aug 15th, 2008
02:20:30 AM
Angelina Jolie=Most Boring Catwoman Choice Possible.
by flickchick85
Aug 15th, 2008
02:25:56 AM
I like the Depp as Riddler rumors, though
by flickchick85
Aug 15th, 2008
02:27:59 AM
Jolie...
by loogenhausen
Aug 15th, 2008
02:28:22 AM
Oh, and Marion Cotillard for Catwoman!
by flickchick85
Aug 15th, 2008
02:33:27 AM
coleman reese as riddler
by ballsxcrew
Aug 15th, 2008
03:19:55 AM
Ballsxcrew...
by TheRealMoriarty
Aug 15th, 2008
03:43:57 AM
Batman 3 = Man-Bat!
by Bass Ackwards
Aug 15th, 2008
03:59:19 AM
the more i think about it...
by ballsxcrew
Aug 15th, 2008
04:07:51 AM
The thing about Coleman Reese
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 15th, 2008
04:10:10 AM
Batman is Bourne now, for 3 we need bounty hunters
by Evil Hobbit
Aug 15th, 2008
04:16:00 AM
very true
by ballsxcrew
Aug 15th, 2008
04:25:22 AM
Gotta be Depp...
by WhinyNegativeBitch
Aug 15th, 2008
04:29:29 AM
ballsxcrew
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 15th, 2008
04:38:19 AM
In fact, yeah. Since Batman is on the run
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 15th, 2008
04:42:50 AM
Okay...
by TheRealMoriarty
Aug 15th, 2008
04:52:42 AM
Did anyone notice?
by Chaplins_tache
Aug 15th, 2008
07:02:21 AM
Hunt The Dark Knight is a great title...
by raw_bean
Aug 15th, 2008
07:03:31 AM
Chaplins_tache, that makes no sense.
by raw_bean
Aug 15th, 2008
07:04:55 AM
Drew...
by blackhole4140
Aug 15th, 2008
08:21:58 AM
ricarleite
by Fawst
Aug 15th, 2008
08:26:20 AM
another casting suggestion
by soulmanj12
Aug 15th, 2008
08:58:15 AM
HUSH Movie with Green Lantern! (...Nolan-style)
by Demode
Aug 15th, 2008
09:01:03 AM
Have I missed something?
by Dragon Man
Aug 15th, 2008
09:20:17 AM
raw_bean
by Chaplins_tache
Aug 15th, 2008
10:29:01 AM
Dragon Man
by NoodlesHahn
Aug 15th, 2008
12:14:41 PM
the big fucking question mark
by Bouncy X
Aug 15th, 2008
12:30:28 PM
The Riddler.....
by jrclanto
Aug 15th, 2008
12:34:46 PM
Concerning Batman 3...
by Master Darque
Aug 15th, 2008
12:47:04 PM
This is not a joke.
by Kenobi-fan
Aug 15th, 2008
01:33:46 PM
This is a common publicist trick
by ArcadianDS
Aug 15th, 2008
02:23:57 PM
Brian Austin Green would like to be The Riddler
by Nadine_Cross
Aug 15th, 2008
02:27:49 PM
Master Darque
by INWOsuxRED
Aug 15th, 2008
02:37:45 PM
Next time pick a better spot. A fall from this height won't kil
by KongMonkey
Aug 15th, 2008
03:23:09 PM
Depp should play Krueger
by Some Dude
Aug 15th, 2008
04:06:55 PM
Here's a great Batman 3 rumor: a good script
by necgray
Aug 15th, 2008
05:13:42 PM
Black Mask! Black Mask!
by dr_buggerlugs
Aug 15th, 2008
06:01:10 PM

by dr_buggerlugs
Aug 15th, 2008
06:10:01 PM
This is my fave AICN-thingy now..
by Aeghast
Aug 15th, 2008
08:50:30 PM
For a fanmade poster thats incredible.
by TheWaqman
Aug 15th, 2008
09:30:18 PM
What about
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Aug 15th, 2008
10:50:18 PM
I just realized that
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Aug 15th, 2008
11:11:25 PM
The Riddler would make sense
by Octaveaeon
Aug 15th, 2008
11:41:56 PM
Talia Al Ghul
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Aug 16th, 2008
12:41:12 AM
Moriarty...
by TopHat
Aug 16th, 2008
03:02:13 AM
Penguin and Catwoman are totally underrated here
by Drath
Aug 16th, 2008
10:25:52 AM
Actually Mori...
by thecomedian
Aug 16th, 2008
11:12:09 AM

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