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Young Kyle Reese in McG's TERMINATOR movie is...

WHAT THE FUCK by Jackie Boy	Mar 19th, 2008 02:16:35 AM
that is all
JESUS!!! by Frye777	Mar 19th, 2008 02:16:49 AM
NOO
The poor kid that gets whacked in Alpha Dog... by aceattorney	Mar 19th, 2008 02:17:25 AM
:(
PLEASE LET THIS BE GOOD by THE KNIGHT	Mar 19th, 2008 02:19:26 AM
the knight has spoken
He looks about twelve! by otm shank	Mar 19th, 2008 02:19:52 AM
They better scar him up a bit and give him some weight training.
That's a wussy looking kid by Sweet FA	Mar 19th, 2008 02:21:14 AM
He looks like he'd grow up to become a preist, not a guy who fucks Linda Hamilton
mac attack by iownyou	Mar 19th, 2008 02:21:22 AM
cast mac culkin
Ain't no way he got himself some Hamilton lovin'. by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 02:21:31 AM

He's the new SHIA LA BEEF by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 02:24:55 AM
Soon, he'll be in every movie.
maybe there's a reason he hates terminators by mansep	Mar 19th, 2008 02:27:18 AM
ie, he started out befriending one.. then things turned bad... bad enough that it made him hate them with a passion. i'm only guessing, but that would be "character development", something we always bitch about films not having.
Friendly Terminator by ElGuapo	Mar 19th, 2008 02:27:54 AM
Maybe he doesn't know Marcus is a terminator... until after they are friends. And that's why he hates them so much. Because his friend turned out to be a robot. (And he never learned to read!)
Jesus H. Fucking Christ by Horace Cox	Mar 19th, 2008 02:28:35 AM
CHARLIE BARTLETT was one of the worst fucking movies I've seen in years. If I wasn't able to mastrubate to Hope Davis' scenes I would have walked out. Speaking of which, apologies to the couple seated in front of me.
Maybe.... by Sweet FA	Mar 19th, 2008 02:30:23 AM
Maybe he doesnt know Worthington is a robot (although from some of his past performances, everyone should know he is). I love how these guys bitch without even seeing a script. This would be the start of the story, wouldn't it?? Aren't terminators meant to fit in with the population?
He looks like Screech! by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 02:30:44 AM
From Saved By the Bell!
What the fuck kind of casting is that??!!!!! by IndustryKiller!	Mar 19th, 2008 02:35:54 AM
Oh COME ON! Do these fucking directors even take character into consideration anymore or is it literally just a hype thing. Theres plenty of young actors who dont come off like a wet noodle but nope, this guys comin up and god dammit they need to put him in as many movies as possible. That is seriously as off base as you could get. I've seen this kid in person a few times in LA and nothing against him but there doesn't look to be a tough bone in his body. He's pale as a ghost and his features are of a distinct eastern european vibe. I mean christ they are trying to say that in 10 years he grows into Michael Biehn??? Not on your fucking life. Besides that there isn't a single thing in his catalogue that would suggest he could play a convincing warrior, even one in his formative years. He always plays slouching sad cases. Seriously what the fuck is McG on?
I would ask "how long before the show is cancelled"... by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 02:36:20 AM
...but that would just lead to someone justifiably asking the same of Smallville, then I'd argue that Smallville is a seperate entity from the films, to which someone would claim the same for The Sarah Connor Chronicles (which we all know isn't true), and I'd reply with a nuh-uh, and they'd answer with a yeah-huh, and it'd drag on over a five hundred or so post talkback, only to die once the story is bumped off the main page, and then be resurrected once Herc posts the official announcement of the cancelling in Coaxial, which will then lead to the debate to get even more heated, and then Merrick gets involved and brings to our attention in a fan petition to reverse Fox's decision with a campaign similar to the infamous Jericho "nuts" deal......only this time it's "screws"....because y'know, like "Fox screwed up" and because the Terminators are machines and have......yeah, you get the idea. I don't want to trigger those events by making that comment, so I won't.
And Quint if I've said it once I've said it a million times by IndustryKiller!	Mar 19th, 2008 02:39:43 AM
STOP FUCKING APOLOGIZING every time you have a negative reaction to something that is CLEARLY fucking ridiculous. When a hack director obviously miscasts one of the great protagonists in sci fi history you have every right to be critical. You're not over thinking things, it's McG who is dead fucking wrong.
FAILED by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:42:37 AM
There might be a reason he is anti terminator(though his brother in the TV show is more hardcore) Why not get a blonde kid?
Hollywood has lost it by Literarywanderer	Mar 19th, 2008 02:43:00 AM
It's like Hollywood has taken that next step of finding stars pre-puberty and grooming them to be the megastars of tomorrow even if they're not talented enough to deserve the opportunity. Sorry, but ol' Shia will never be worth my dollar no matter how much you shove him down my throat. Shit, I mean, first we have all those teenage lolitas in the 90s (Britney, Christina, Mandy, Jessica, etc.) who were rammed in our faces. Then came Shia and Hannah Montana. God, what next? Is Holywood going to start genetically breeding these actors and choosing the traits they want before they implant them, have them birthed, and then use them as celluloid slaves for their entire lifetimes (which will be only until the age of 30 for women and 40 for men, their genetics having them die before they are no longer marketable)? Whatever happened to casting talented, though not superhot, actors? Oh, and as for Terminator 4, since I ran way off tangent, even with Bale I say fuck it. I'm not paying to see some kid befriend a fucking robot. BTW, Kyle even said the early ones had rubber skin, etc. Exactly how long have Terminators been the fuck around?
Just a question. by otm shank	Mar 19th, 2008 02:43:01 AM
If, as Reese explains in The Terminator, the early generation Terms were easy to spot with their rubber skin. Why would he not know his buddy was one?
bugger nuts!!! by Le Phantom	Mar 19th, 2008 02:44:00 AM
Jesus! all of these dirctors pick young actors that they want to bugger!!!!
Xiphos by otm shank	Mar 19th, 2008 02:47:37 AM
When they killed off Hicks in Alien 3 they must have confused him with the character. He's been relagated to minor role status ever sense.
as mentioned by hellnback	Mar 19th, 2008 02:48:08 AM
there has to be reason for reese to hate the termintors. since this is just him as a youngster, he still has plenty of time to grow into the termintator hater. first he befriends one but ends up hating it and the others for a reason.
Maybe by hamo455	Mar 19th, 2008 02:49:07 AM
They're friends until he finds out he's a robot?
Hope he doesn't die of a heroin overdose in 10 years by leobloom	Mar 19th, 2008 02:50:46 AM
What, too soon?
Simon Pegg should play Kyle Reese by pokadoo	Mar 19th, 2008 02:52:38 AM
To make up for McSpaced!
Please introduce Derek Reese by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:57:32 AM
He is a fucking cool character, hell I even say get the 90210 dude to play him, the dude never ages. A hardcore version of Kyle Reese and John Connor's second in command. They better show John and Kyle escaping from the skynet workcamp.
They should leave this series alone by CeejayNightwing	Mar 19th, 2008 02:59:38 AM

Kyle betrayed me... by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 03:03:48 AM
...and he lied, tried to hide, and I died deep inside, AND YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY!
Simon Pegg shouldn't even be Scotty.. by CeejayNightwing	Mar 19th, 2008 03:06:53 AM
That role should have gone to Paul McGillion but fanboys being what they are led to that ridiculous casting becoming real. Here we have another ridiculous casting just for the sake of milking the Terminator film-come-studio franchise. It's one thing having a TV series of a popular film to to make a cinematic movie of a story the TV show can easily cover (and probably will differently) is another thing. We simply don't need to see what young Kyle and John were up to before the war or yet another tale of how the robots rose to power in yet another alternate timeline. If they want to do a story, then do one on the original father of John Connor in the original timeline set before Kyle Reese came back in time, from their future to fuck Sarah before he had a chance to meet the bitch!
In a very special sequel of the Terminator by Literarywanderer	Mar 19th, 2008 03:08:36 AM
Kyle comes out of the closet and admits to his cybernetic friend that John Connor touched him. The Terminator loses all faith in humanity and goes on a fucking rampage. Fin.
as long as he can act, and PLEASE no friendly Terminators by tompiltoff	Mar 19th, 2008 03:16:32 AM

THIS PROJECT IS TERMINATED ! by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 03:19:51 AM
MCG is going to have a contract on it's head once this is out... at this point, it will not be better than the TV series.
No James Cameron by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 03:21:49 AM
No Terminator movie
Awww hell FUCK NO!!!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:23:55 AM
What the fuck they think they're doing?!? Do they think at all?!?!? Do they really want to run this franchise into the ground?!?!?!?! Gawd, this will suck soooooo badly...
PLEASE MAKE IT STOOOOPPPPP... by poeticwarriorII	Mar 19th, 2008 03:25:44 AM
enough already.
This could be AMAZING...so far so good by HarryBlackPotter	Mar 19th, 2008 03:28:12 AM
The first 2 Terminator movies are awesome, the 3rd had a great ending, but everything else (including a near geratric Arnie) sucked. I keep missing the tv show so can't comment on that (though I'll no doubt catch up when I buy the DVD box set), but I have high hopes for this new movie. Can't wait.
I know now why you cry... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 03:38:54 AM
How come nobody bitches about T2, which has the same dumbass Terminator-boy-love story? 'Cause the FX were good and it had Arnold? There is no Terminator movie but the first one. The second stuffed a fat cock in the dook chute of the continuity anyway and the third one was just a big apology for it (and an excuse to make 4). Didn't I hear in another talkback that neither John or Reese were the main character of this movie?
"On the surface he feels a little... low-key" by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:40:52 AM
You mean like McG?
who's casting this shit? by Orionsangels	Mar 19th, 2008 03:45:15 AM

23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle did you just by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:52:11 AM
say something negative about T2. No One complains about T2 because it's a fucking awesome movie. Kill yourself. Superstar Talkbacker Messi has spoken.
The TV Series is AWESOME by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:57:29 AM
yes the first 4 episodes were slow but then the whole myth and continuity kicked in and DEREK REESE and yeah it's fucking awesome. This whole idea that people were sent back to prepare for the war rather than solely prevent it. Sweet.
Strong choice by the podosphere	Mar 19th, 2008 03:57:36 AM
Yelchin's got chops.
AICN 1974: "Young Don Corleone will be... Robert de Niro" by tonagan	Mar 19th, 2008 03:57:46 AM
I know, apples and oranges, but you know somebody would have complained.
tonagan Anton Yelchin didn't have Mean Streets by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 04:04:15 AM
in his resume.
There's absolutely no need... by Kirbymanly	Mar 19th, 2008 04:06:31 AM
to make this movie other than money. Don't take the bait, people. Support original films and Hollywood shall abide. They think we WANT this. That's the only reason why they're making it. I love the Terminator films like anybody else... but it's time for them to stop.
I'll never ever ever ever see this. by DOGSOUP	Mar 19th, 2008 04:10:59 AM
To me the Terminator franchise ended with T2.
You never forget your first by a rolling stone	Mar 19th, 2008 04:13:57 AM
I just caught the first Terminator on TCM a couple of nights ago. I thought I'd watch a few scenes and then go do something else, but it still had the power to suck me in. When Arnold's in the club with the words "Tech Noir" lit up behind him? Fucking classic. It's funny watching Sarah meet Dr. Silverman for the first time, too.
by misnomer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:16:04 AM
the only thing that concerns me is that the earlier terminators had rubber skin;i'd hope the new movie wouldnt contradict that. I wouldnt write this off, I think T4 has a much greater chance of success than T3- at least this movie seems to be taking some risks and exploring new territory. very curious....
by misnomer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:16:51 AM
tscc is absoultely dire though. I mean awful- the whole female terminator idea should be ditched-it really doesn't work that well.
Damn You... MCG! by Stupendous Man	Mar 19th, 2008 04:19:47 AM

T2 bashers by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 04:20:45 AM
Nobody moans about T2 simply due to the fact it's an amazing piece of filmmaking.
My thoughts about T4 by Gorgomel	Mar 19th, 2008 04:23:35 AM
I don't give a damn! but please make a second season of TSCC
Oh fuck off... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:26:01 AM
He grows up to be Michael Biehn, I don't fucking think so.
messi... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 04:30:55 AM
BLAM! Thump.... Seriously, I loved T2 when I saw it in high school, but it doesn't hold up with repeated viewings - particularly not when compared to the original which is a stand alone, self contained continuum. T2 fucks up the story for the sake of bringing Arnie back as a lameass good Terminator. Bad To The Bone plays when he puts the sunglasses on...its pretty lame.
Bad bad bad by fisheater	Mar 19th, 2008 04:35:53 AM
Firstly, dont compare Deniro's casting to this shmuck, you shmuck. Secondly kill the franchise now before McG ruins this generations understanding of the greatness of the original material. This like the alien franchise should have been killed off long ago and, like AvP and T3, this will not get my 12$ nor will it get yours. Lastly i think audiences tastes are changing, considering the number of low budget independants that are now being distributed and sold under big studios. They do make money and could well change the industry in the next ten years. Here's hoping. Oh and the kid looks retarded and not at all like previous Johns, McG is a whore.
I know now why you cry... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:37:55 AM
...because you saw the future of the Terminator franchise coming over the horizon, and it was not good. I mean there's something seriously fucked up in the world when a tv show, that's on the brink of cancellation no less, does better and more respectful to the source material Terminator than the huge budget sequel movies do. "The 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy, well except for my buddy who turned out to be a Terminator, somehow we didn't spot him at all. But these are new, well, as long as you don't count by continuity altering Terminator pal anyway, sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait till he moved on you before I could zero him."
Hell yeah, Sledge! by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 04:43:35 AM
The original is so freakin' great! Can you imagine in the 80's if you went into that movie not knowing what it was about? You wouldn't even know who was the good guy and who was the bad guy till the Tech Noir shootout...Reese: "Come with me if you want to live." Sheeyitt man! Brilliant! I'm gonna watch it this week....
This friends with a terminator business makes no sense... by Rameses	Mar 19th, 2008 04:43:43 AM
and goes against the concept laid down in the first film.The human style endoskeletons appeared to be a late addition to the machines warefare ( I assuume hunter killer tanks and planes were their normal form} and only in the wars last stages , they began creating human copies to infiltrate the resistance movements.Even then the first of these were meant to be rubber skinned and pretty obvious..its only a short time before arnie is sent back that the cyborgs are created...Therefor young kyle would be friends with an obvious rubbery robot at best!
Biehn has been unlucky by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:44:50 AM
did you know that he was going to be Peter Parker in James Cameron's cancelled Spider Man move (1994), it was cancelled due to the fact that the technology just wasn't able to do what cameron wanted at the time.. that good have been his superstar making role.. Also there was talks of him getting nominated for an Academy award for his role in The Abyss, and even with the studio's heavy backing, it still fell through.. and now is seems Avatar has fallen through for him too.. hopefully he'll be in BattleAngel, cause god-damn he rules.. was awsome in Planet Terror
could* by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:45:47 AM

p.s what a little fucking pussy this kid is by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:47:52 AM
Kyle Reese is supposed to be a hard ass,
Biehn was great in Aliens as well... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 04:49:43 AM
I had high hopes for that guy's career, but the last thing I saw him in was The Rock...HATED IT.
Kyle befriending a Terminator by obidawsn	Mar 19th, 2008 04:53:52 AM
What if Kyle befriends Marcus, only later for Marcus (because he's a Terminator) to turn on Kyle or the humans. Maybe Marcus (as one of the first cyborgs) befriended Kyle to infiltrate the human resistance. His betrayal of Kyle is what turns him so hard-core against the Terminators.
fuck that by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:57:34 AM
his hardcore hatred of terminators would be and is because they are fucking machines and killing mankind and everyone he ever knows.. not some lame little "boy and his Robot" story where his robot buddy betrays him.. hollywood can eat my shit
Jesus! I thought it was gonna be Shia for a moment! by Maniaq	Mar 19th, 2008 05:04:19 AM
btw not sure if anyone's already mentioned this but could Marcus be the GUY that they BASE an early Terminator on? I threw this out as a possible way to get Arnie into this movie way back when it was first announced (before McSmelly was attached) - I'd never heard of Sgt Candy at the time (hilarious!) but I remember coming across a graphic novel about a mercenary who Skynet used as the basis for the T-800 model - in other words, Arnie... I said at the time, wouldn't it be cool if Arnie was one of John Connor's closest most trusted generals and THAT was who Skynet chose to model their first skinjob on?
I want to see a 700 series terminator which are by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 05:12:17 AM
ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Don't pet that cat! It's not a cat! It's a-- by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 05:13:40 AM
FUCKING TERMINATOR!!! HOLY SHIT!!!" Classic.
I really hope to see Shia LaBeuof get a role in this! by Judge Briggs	Mar 19th, 2008 05:14:18 AM
He'll make the movie!
he'd make it alright by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 05:24:35 AM
make it a steaming pile of feces
Looked the same in Gone in 60 Seconds remake by ThePilgrim	Mar 19th, 2008 05:27:30 AM
This Motherfucker doesn't age!!! He's like the white Gary Coleman. Alpha Dog was great by the way.
this has potential to be the worst, or best movie ever by angrykirby.tk	Mar 19th, 2008 05:28:02 AM
I really hate the attitude of "let's make terminator shit until it's bad" scc is surprisingly good and t3 isn't awful, it's scares the shit out of me every time new terminator stuff is announced. I love the series soo much, the day will come when we get sour milk from the terminator cow, I fear that day more then judgement day. Shia LaBeuof is a shitty actor, I hope he dies, I'll kill him myself if he's shoved in any terminator shit oh and poor Biehn, he would have been spiderman in 95 if the studios hadn't shit on the project. I say cast him as kyle reese, make up the hell out of him, god forbid we have any actors stay constant.
Never thought I'd say this by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 19th, 2008 05:33:20 AM
PLEASE NO MORE TERMINATOR MOVIES. This kid isn't fit to lick Beihns' acid splattered boot.
I thought that was Frodo when I opened the page. by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 05:39:35 AM

Friendly Terminatorpossible spoiler??? by chuffsterUK	Mar 19th, 2008 05:50:03 AM
From what I've worked out from tidbits,Marcus may be the result of an experiment,putting human brains in cyborgs,therefore,he and Reese may not know he indeed is a Terminator.....
Friend or not, don't think there were Human-like Terminators whe by PrezMike	Mar 19th, 2008 05:51:32 AM
Reese said in T1 that the first Terminators were rubber-skinned, and were easily identified, while the new ones had flesh and blood. Now how the heck did a young Reese befriend a flesh and blood (I suppose) Terminator? There weren't supposed to be Terminators around when Reese was young.
Ugly as hell and... by Tourist	Mar 19th, 2008 05:59:04 AM
...Has as much presence as a limp dick. But then again, John Connor was the boss, and Reese his bitch, so that makes sense.
A possible explanation for the Kyle Reese "terminator" friend. by Mike_D	Mar 19th, 2008 05:59:32 AM
Maybe it was a secret ambush and the terminator friend kills everybody, hence the future hatred for the machines?
cool! by ironic_name	Mar 19th, 2008 06:06:42 AM
hes cool, I'm glad.
Best Thing to do is lose McG by codymr	Mar 19th, 2008 06:11:19 AM
Bring in a Director who understands the material. Lose the friendly terminator... it's over done. Great idea in T2... lame in T3. Bring on SkyNet's killer cyborgs!
AICN 1989: "Young Indiana Jones will be... River Phoenix" by tonagan	Mar 19th, 2008 06:14:31 AM
"Not that pretty boy! Spielberg and Lucas don't know what they're doing!"
Let's all boycott T4 by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 06:15:08 AM
and give the money to repeat viewings of Avatar.
tonagan by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 06:16:55 AM
The flaw in your argument is that Coppola and Spielberg are great filmmakers. McG isn't.
AICN 1939: "Young Mr. Lincoln will be... Henry Fonda" by tonagan	Mar 19th, 2008 06:17:42 AM
"As an 80-year old talkbacker, I was there for the Gettysburg Address, and there's no way that no-talent whippersnapper can play President Lincoln."
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle I HEAR YA! by Maniaq	Mar 19th, 2008 06:18:42 AM
Their defence grid was smashed - we'd won - taking out connor then would make no difference! Skynet had to wipe out his entire existence... (Is that when you captured that lab complex and found that... what is it called? The... Time Displacement equipment?) That's right - the Terminator had already gone through. Connor sent me to intercept and they blew the whole place... (Well, how are you supposed to get back?) I can't. Nobody goes home. NOBODY ELSE COMES THROUGH
tonagan:good one.... by travis-dane	Mar 19th, 2008 06:19:16 AM
Funky;-)
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 06:21:16 AM
That's exactly the experience I had seeing Terminator for the first time in '85. Knew absolutely nothing about the movie beforehand, saw it on a double bill with Rambo: First Blood part II, which was the reason me and my friends had gone to this double bill in the first place, and was absolutely blown away by the experience of seeing Terminator after Rambo. It really was something amazing at the time, and one of the best experiences I ever had inside of a cinema. I miss being able to walk into films like that knowing nothing ahead of time, and just getting my ass completely kicked into the back wall of the theatre. But in our media soaked age that's just no longer possible.
Off topic: Sam Raimi to do next Jack Ryan flick!?! by SkinJob69	Mar 19th, 2008 06:35:09 AM
http://tinyurl.com/24skts
early friendship with and later hatred for terminators by newc0253	Mar 19th, 2008 06:40:11 AM
not as contradictory as it might seem, if you really think about it for a moment in terms of story possibilities. i'm not saying it's the best idea ever, but i don't think one (reese being friends with an early terminator) precludes the other (reese hating all terminators) if they do it right.
Maniaq is right by The Kidd	Mar 19th, 2008 06:43:52 AM
I've been saying this for years now.. as good as T2 was, it went against continuity. They blew the time machine after Reese went through. End of story.
I was thinking along the same lines newc0253 by just pillow talk	Mar 19th, 2008 06:49:54 AM
At least, that's the only way I can see it fit into the existing story. Now the kid may be an excellent actor, but I'm getting really tired of having young kids take over main leads in action movies. Just like they want to make Jack Ryan younger then even when Ben played him. What the fuck happened to actors playing bad assess who are actually old enough and battle worn to fit the part?
The problem with The Terminator franchise... by rbatty024	Mar 19th, 2008 06:50:09 AM
is that with the element of time travel nothing is permanent. They can change anything and claim, whoops, it was time travel. It's the same problem with most time travel films, but with The Terminator they openly flaunt time travel paradoxes.
friends with a machine?? by kafka07	Mar 19th, 2008 06:57:24 AM
why not? I talk to my iPod all the time. I say to it, you piece of shit! why do you keep crashing! it's kind of a love-hate relationship.
there's no way Kyle would befriend a terminator... by logicalnoise01	Mar 19th, 2008 07:01:03 AM
without knowing it was a terminator. Kyle himself said before the t-800(arnold's model) all the terminators had rubber skin and were easy to pick out on the battlefield. However on the SCC Skynet sent more advanced models back in time that are capable of fitting into normal life(one had a human wife). WIth that said it still makes no sense since the franchise runners said SCC has no bearing on the movies.
First Harry think of a catchphrase... by random dude	Mar 19th, 2008 07:03:14 AM
like "Chocolat covered pussy juice" or in this case "bugnuts", and then searches for a movie to review. Because eventually it doesn't matter what he reviews, but controversy in TB is very important. It keeps AICN alive. Fuck you, Harry.
I posted in the wrong comment section. by random dude	Mar 19th, 2008 07:03:48 AM
I'm sorry.
Can we have a young Terminator? by solartaco3	Mar 19th, 2008 07:07:36 AM
He could be the awkward robot in Terminator High School who learns to be cool just in time for the dance.
Dumb question, and I could be wrong but by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 07:10:46 AM
I thought in T1 Kyle said he grew up after Judgment Day. In TSCC he was like 6 or 8 when the bombs hit (a great flashback sequence by the way) so, my question is am I imagining he said it, or did TSCC screw with canon again.
To the filmmakers of this turd : by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 07:25:54 AM
You bunch of moronic, no talent, wannabes should better find work as prostitutes like Lee Tamahori, because that's WHAT YOU ARE. RUINING THE FRANCHISE. You come and you Terminate cults movies, all in the name of money. YOU PEOPLE ARE WORST THAN THE PLAGUE.
Okay.. so young Kyle has a friend with rubber skin by fanboy71	Mar 19th, 2008 07:29:26 AM
and he can't figure out it's a machine? I didn't take him for being that dumb. That is the most horrible Idea they could have possibly pulled out of their ass. Why must we have a "good" terminator in every movie now?
Quint Asks... by Aquatarkusman	Mar 19th, 2008 07:30:53 AM
"Why can't this be a straight up science fiction war movie?" Knowing who's in the director's chair, you should have stopped after the word "Why"
Michael Biehn Isn't Quite Dead.. He's Getting Better by Aquatarkusman	Mar 19th, 2008 07:34:50 AM
He was Johnny Ringo in Tombstone, after all... wasn't he? I can't tell with all that weird facial hair. Was that 10-12 years ago? Whoops.
Biehn is actually a damn good actor... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 07:35:08 AM
The man more than held his own opposite Ed Harris (in both The Abyss and The Rock), Sigourney Weaver (in Aliens), and Val Kilmer (in Tombstone), being one of the best things about all of those movies. On top of that if you've ever seen In A Shallow Grave, Lords Of Discipline, Rampage, or even some of his earlier work in a great arc on Hill Street Blues or the horror/thriller The Fan, you'd know what this guy was capable of, and why it's such a damn shame that his career seemed to largely stall in the 90's, as he became relegated to direct to video hell. Likewise take a look at his performances in little seen flicks like K2, The 7th Sign or The Ride. The man has much more talent that he's given credit for, and he was great in the original Terminator to boot.
Abyss by Salamander	Mar 19th, 2008 07:35:16 AM
Last film i saw Biehn was i think the abyss recently sure differnet role there. I liked the guy in terminator thought he was an okay actor, excellent in aliens but yeah his career has not exactly shone after those flicks shame underated.
THAT KID LOOKS LIKE A PUSSY by Mullah Omar	Mar 19th, 2008 07:36:35 AM
Yeah, I know that's not nice, but that is my heartfelt reaction. Aren't there any wiry young badasses in Hollywood? Guys who have Biehn's freaky "I've been off my meds for days" sparkle in his eyes and speech pattern? Maybe some kind of ultimate fighting guys who got injured and are trying their hand at something new? Even that dude from INTO THE WILD would be a step up from this pussy - he can at least pull off the half-wacko part of the Reese role.
Clearly He's Supposed To Be A Young Kyle Reese by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 07:40:10 AM
Duh. How can you judge the movie as being a disaster already? Hopefully it'll be cool.
Grammaton Cleric Binks, the explanation is... by lukasman	Mar 19th, 2008 07:41:43 AM
That the events in T2 DELAYED the date of Judgement Day, thats why now Kyle is a bit older when this day comes...
Friends with the Terminator by thalvar	Mar 19th, 2008 07:41:48 AM
Maybe that's why he hates them. What if, in the story, Kyle has no idea Marcus is a Terminator until it betrays him? Or maybe he knew it was a Terminator, it betrays him, and from there the hatred is born.
"23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle" please... by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 07:43:35 AM
...shut it. T2 is a fucking masterpiece. I've watched it more than 53 (stopped counting after that) times and it still fucking amazes me! So please shut your mouth. Thank you.
Bah... Continuity is for film geeks by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 07:52:17 AM
The average 12 million or so movie goers out there don't give a shit about continuity. They don't know, and they don't care. But the 50,000 film geeks who pay attention to the stuff they watch do care. But they're such a small fraction of the movie going audience that I guess some execs just don't feel they need to pay attention to them or their views.
So genocide isn't enough of a reason... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 07:53:11 AM
...to hate Skynet and Terminators now, there has to be a personal betrayal as well. Still seems pretty damn stupid to me for any number of reasons. As for who should have played young Reese in this, they should have gotten Timothy Olyphant, fucker looks quite a bit like Biehn from back in the day, and he's got the same crazy eyes to boot.
Kyle Reese is all man by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 07:53:46 AM
He is so much man, that he never was a boy. Way to shit on the legend that was Cameron's Terminator.
Young Darth Vader is...Jake Llyod/Hayden Christensen by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 07:59:44 AM
And we all know how cool that was.
Young John Connor is ... Edward Furlong! by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 08:01:12 AM

Sorry, I had more but it got lost in the send. by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 08:01:43 AM
I went on to say that it's a shame the studio execs don't listen to us film geeks, because if they did, they might actually make a Terminator movie that is not only good, but one that also makes SENSE! As for the T2 continuity error of sending back more machines after the first time travel machine was destroyed, isn't it possible that, if they can build more and more terminators, they could also build more and more time machines? I don't much care for McG or his movies. I didn't like T3 at all. Didn't like John, didn't care for Claire Danes' character, and I also think Arnie phoned in that performance. Not to mention the total illogic of them walking/running in to the heart of a massively fortified military base like they were going in to a 7-11. DUMB.I don't think I'll give this new movie my money And this kid isn't Reese. Nor would he ever grow up to BE Reese. He might grow up to be T.S. Garp. I could see that.
He looks totally badass! by Bobo_Vision	Mar 19th, 2008 08:07:02 AM
Joke. Okay, so Reese is a goofy looking kid who becomes friends with a terminator like some Saturday morning children's special. "Hey, lets not fight. Lets be friends. Yay!" Um, yeah, this is totally not going to suck ass....um..yeah.
Good point, Juggernaut125 by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:08:13 AM
about that continuity thingie and the 5 million morons vs 50000 nerds (like me!) :-) .Good point.
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle you fail at life by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:12:58 AM
you do realize that T2 is considered one of the most rewatchable movies ever right? A certified 'classic' already. So shut the fuck up with this it doesn't hold up to repeated viewings because you're completely alone in that thought.
Young Steve Segal is....Jonah Hill! by Cletus Van Damme	Mar 19th, 2008 08:17:07 AM
Accept this as fact
Mayber the Terminator turns on him at some point by indyjonez100	Mar 19th, 2008 08:17:36 AM
Thus fueling his hatred which we see in the first Terminator movie. Just a thought
These are prequels... by mr.brownstone	Mar 19th, 2008 08:21:11 AM
If the first movie started with "flash backs" to the future then these new stories take place in the "past" where the story started... or did the story start with Dyson... or when the first T101 and Reese were sent back. I don't know tech stuff.
indyjonez100 and thalvar by Bobo_Vision	Mar 19th, 2008 08:22:36 AM
Someone already made this point, but is mass genocide of the human race, the slaughter of their families and loved ones and friends by terminators not enough to convince you two that Reese should hate terminators as much as he does, and he needs to be betrayed by a friend terminator to convince you? If so, stick to watching afterschool specials.
Good point Abom I mean the only Reese by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 08:24:09 AM
we know until TSCC came along was a guy so hardcore he steals the pants off a bum, takes down a cop bare-handed, swipes the shotgun from the rack later, then goes about his mission so focused it isn't funny. That after being dropped into something he has no concept of. The person he is trying to help bites him, and he just sits their and takes it. Reese is one of those characters who is the ultimate bad ass. I understand the need for a young Reese, but this does water him down in our minds.
The movie takes place in 2019. 8 years before by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:24:45 AM
Kyle is sent back. So people saying get older guys, Kyle is supposed to be young but not that young nor black haired.
There is no continuity flaw in T2 by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:26:50 AM
Skynet could of built another time machine since they had to send back the T-1000. Remember John Conner sent Kyle Reese to 1984 from 2027, and then sent Arnold to 1995 from 2029. Think much? Dumb cunce.
You know who would have made a great by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 08:27:23 AM
Reese if they made this when he was about the right age? Lucas Black. I've never seen a kid actor that intense. I was never a fan of American Gothic, caught a few minutes here and there, but that kid can seriously act. I guess he's not a kid anymore though.
I'm pretty sure I saw this Kyle Reese bagging my groceries by just pillow talk	Mar 19th, 2008 08:28:47 AM
He was such a badass the way he put all the produce in one bag. He's a crazy muthafucker.
Uhhh the betrayal thing by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:31:03 AM
I think the difference is in the fact John Conner trusts reprogrammed Terminators. But look at Derek Reese from the TV show, he hates Terminators, regardless, there's the difference. Maybe Kyle ends up hating them completely like his brother, not even trusting a reprogrammed one.
Actually Grammaton by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 08:31:30 AM
I LIKE that idea. His last film (that I know of) was TFatF:Tokyo Drift. And from what I saw in the trailers (not gonna put money down on that movie either), he's grown into a strong young adult character. The kind that Reese WOULD be.
So Juggernaut you think they could use Black by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 08:37:57 AM
to be older than this kid, younger than T1 Reese, and make the movie that way? Like I said I haven't seen his stuff in a while so I don't even know what he looks like now.
This movie will McBomb! by donwillymo	Mar 19th, 2008 08:38:25 AM

I'm assuming Fox renewed the series? by Sithdan	Mar 19th, 2008 08:41:44 AM
Sarah Connor Chronicles is at least better than half the shit on television (Dancing with the Stars, Moment of Truth, Survivor, American Idol, the list goes on and on). I hope to see it back next year. I'm assuming it's been renewed? Obviously, if I like it, it has to be good.
What wrong with his eye ? by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 08:47:40 AM
Look at the picture ! The guy have half his face falling down, his left eye is lower than the right eye ! So this is what we get now, mOnsters casts in mythical franchises ? MCG producer and director. He was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. With a psychology degree from UC Irvine, McG started as a still photographer in the music business, shooting local bands and musicians with whom he was friendly. All their careers tanked. He produced the debut album by Sugar Ray, Lemonade and Brownies. Bands that made it big. Eventually, this led him to direct music videos, namely many for Korn which with their vomits obsession, appealed to him. His "films" (as wannabe director) include Charlie's Angels, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, We Are Marshall. His television series include Fastlane, The O.C., Supernatural, Chuck and Pussycat Dolls Present: Search for the Next Doll. He has, according to the producers, signed on to direct the next installment of the Terminator franchise: Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. Chances are he won't salvage anything, but more like destroy the franchise.
Absolutely. by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 08:49:39 AM
He's older than the fucknuts they hired, and still much younger than Bale, so it wouldn't be a father/son relationship so much as a friend or mentor kind of thing. Black is a great choice, IMO. McG, if you're browsing this site, dump the stooge and get Lucas Black's agent on the phone. (And drop the Reese befriend's an early version of the Terminators storyline while you're at it.)
The card trick kid from Curb Your Enthusiasm! by skycrapper	Mar 19th, 2008 08:51:05 AM
Get Larry David to be the friendly Terminator. Unless he gains about 30 pounds of muscle I don't see this smug little punk as Reese.
Pillow by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 09:10:16 AM
at the grocery store when the cash register shorted out and the girl asked Kyle what was wrong, did the teenage bagboy say, "I don't KNOW!! I didn't BUILD the FUCKING THING!!"
Maybe sam worthington is a friend, and then... by StovetopStuffin'	Mar 19th, 2008 09:11:08 AM
gets killed and a terminator mimics him? Thus creating that hatred? That would be a great way to build the characters in the film. I don't mind McG making a terminator film, especially if it's serious and not poking fun with a lot of inside jokes. But don't touch Spaced Goddammit!!!
The new terminator will be.......Sasha Mitchell by johnnyg korrupt	Mar 19th, 2008 09:14:19 AM
And Nicole Eggert will be Sarah Conner....talking about aging she looks bad for 36. Doesn't the Sam Worthington character just seem totally redundant? i mean why not just beef up Bales role as John Conner? And has Josh Brolin been confirmed as the new terminator yet or what? I'm Aussie by the way and have never see Sam Worthington even look half decent in any role whatsoever
yeah, he doesnt look the part but.... by RockLobster800	Mar 19th, 2008 09:15:01 AM
y'know, maybe this is BEFORE the war fucks with the kid and hes forced to become a hard arse...its called acting and character development folks...remember how much of a wuss linda hamilton was in Terminator 1 and yet she was a total bad ass in the second one? then again Reese is supposed to be born and raised in a war zone so...yeah, I dont even know why Im trying to defend this as I incredibly dont want this flick to happen!
messi... by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 09:15:23 AM
when Kyle Reese and the Terminator went back in time, the humans had already won. The machines had lost the war. Sending The Terminator back was their last desperate attempt to save themselves. They shouldn't even be around 2 years later to build another time machine.
Kyle Reese by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 09:20:29 AM
is an icon in the Church of Chang. That boy is not.
GREAT!!!!!! JUST LIKE DARTH VADER by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 09:38:00 AM
We get to see a tough icon in his infancy, thereby destroying the originals' iconic impressions. Someone call 911 I want to report a childhood rape!!!!
Quit Fucking This Series by bobinnova	Mar 19th, 2008 09:38:09 AM
Why the fuck are they throwing in Kyle Reese? I can understand a possible cameo, but the only reason why they make this kind of announcement this early is to show this will be a central character in the movie with John Connor. The movie should focus on the war and John and leave Kyle out of the central plot. As for the "friends with Terminator benefits", that has all the stink of the television series where they showed terminators assisting the rebels before turning on them unexpectedly. I was hoping this movie would rock and the television series would attempt to match the movie's quality, but its looking like this movie is attempting to match the television series. T4 - The Kyle Reese Chronicles
Isn't SHIA discovered by McG practically? by Frye777	Mar 19th, 2008 09:39:17 AM
Many of you compared this noodle-boy to Shia. Charlie's Angels 2 with Shia directed by McG...
I'll hop on the 'betrayed friend' train by VAWitch	Mar 19th, 2008 09:40:48 AM
It seems a rather plausible reason for his deep hatred of the machines, esp when combined w/ the destruction in "his" time by the Terminators & Cyberdyne.
ELLEN PAGE LOOKS TOUGHER THAN HIM by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 09:43:05 AM
How about Ellen Page as a female Terminator used to seduce Kyle? Hmm. Great idea!
GO FUCK YOURSELF, MCTERMINATOR. by uss cygnus	Mar 19th, 2008 09:45:05 AM
Go to hell in a fast car.
COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 09:48:32 AM
Do you wanna play with my Wii Sarah?
Reese will be betrayed by Xian042	Mar 19th, 2008 09:58:37 AM
Fueling his rage for the machines. If its an early Terminator, it will probably look more robotic. It will probably be reprogrammed, or be programmed all along to kill at a certian time. I have faith
Typical teenage looking effeminate Abercrombie by picardsucks	Mar 19th, 2008 09:59:01 AM
Sexually ambiguous stuff. Those hollywood guys sure loves them some young beanpole , men who look 14 and are built like Keira Knightly, casting couch lovin!! You know I'm reaaly starting to believe this secret hollywood agenda stuff. I think they really do want to neuter men and make them more oh I don't know metrosexual??? Well let's just cross this off my list, another movie I will never fucking see. Next up casting the guy from Smallville who played Aquaman as The Terminator, freshly plucked nether regions and all!!!
THIS MOVIE WILL BE PANCAKEPLIERS by ArcadianDS	Mar 19th, 2008 10:02:51 AM
So says Harry. Also, he will tell us about the snot in his nose.
I don't know about this casting choice by T 1000 xp professional	Mar 19th, 2008 10:03:25 AM
no need to validate my fanhood of this franchise....This is a little wierd casting choice that if pulled off we will all be eating crow. Christian Bale is on board to play John Connor as well as the James Cameron approved Sam Worthington. I shall now display patience as well as faith.....
Luiz Guzman by T 1000 xp professional	Mar 19th, 2008 10:05:32 AM
as a young kyle reese
From the director of "Charlie's Angels"... by HueyFreeman	Mar 19th, 2008 10:12:47 AM
I'm not sure I need to say much more than that.
If there's a god in heaven by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 10:14:22 AM
we would be blessed with Ghostbusters III, but we're not and there isn't. I just wanted to put that out there. Video games do not count as movies.
JAMES by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:14:55 AM

CAMERON by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:15:15 AM

WOULDN'T by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:15:45 AM

DO THIS by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:16:07 AM

Summer Glau rules by RogueWarrior65	Mar 19th, 2008 10:18:42 AM
Nuff said. She's a robo-babe...literally.
Hollyweird producers demand their boy meat by kabong	Mar 19th, 2008 10:23:24 AM
in every movie
I doubt by Seth Cohen	Mar 19th, 2008 10:26:21 AM
even the sheer awesomeness of the Batman himself, Christian Bale, is enough to rescue us from the black hole level sucking power of McG
Poor Michael Biehn by rev_skarekroe	Mar 19th, 2008 10:27:57 AM
So close to being a real action hero, but always second fiddle.
Apparently... by micturatingbenjamin	Mar 19th, 2008 10:28:51 AM
Reese was a JW when he was a kid. 'Did you know that Jehova has a fucking plan for your life, meat?! Come with me if you want everlasting life.'
Marcus won't be a Terminator by Mr Writer	Mar 19th, 2008 10:33:48 AM
He's a clone of a dead resistance fighter with a computer chip in his brain, which allows Skynet to periodically control him. Even he doesn't know he's not the real Marcus as his memories are all jumbled up after being injured. He's mostly man, but partially a machine - an experimental cyborg rather than an early Terminator - and he's constantly battling Skynet's orders without knowing it. If handled right, Kyle Reese's hatred for machines (which should be present even at a young age) is only be intensified when he discover his "friend" has had his brain scooped out by Skynet and is being forced to turn against the resistance. My bet is that Kyle is the one who ultimately terminates Marcus before Connor sends him back in time.
Um...so how's he gonna bang Stiffler's Mom? by fiester	Mar 19th, 2008 10:37:40 AM
Is this a Graduate remake?
What next, Reese making homo love to the rubber skin robot ? by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 10:50:42 AM
Mc G deserves to be jailed and have a retrainment order putting him away from any form of camera.
I think this movie will SUCK. by Proman1984	Mar 19th, 2008 10:52:53 AM
That's what I think.
A few things... by Reel American Hero	Mar 19th, 2008 10:56:51 AM
1. First off, an actor's hair color does not matter. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of this, but there's these things...I think they're new...called wigs. Or hair dye. So an actor's given hair color does not matter. 2. To whoever is wishing for a Ghostbusters 3 movie. That boat has sailed unfortunately, I know I for one don't want to see the older, fatter versions of the Ghostbusters, or let alone, them training a new generation to spin off into a new franchise. The video game is the only way we can see the Ghostbusters in their prime in new adventures. It's sad, but true. But the game actually does look pretty badass,that's just me though. 3. Just be glad we're getting a sequal to Terminator instead of a reboot the franchise remake as seems to be the trend in Hollywood. The only original films I ever see mentioned on here are indie, intellectual stuff that's usually not my sort of thing. And now they're even remaking stuff from not that long ago. God, how much longer do you think before they decide to remake Jurassic Park, or remake all the John Hughes movies with the High School Musical cast....shoot me now...no I'm sorry, I meant shoot them.
mcgenious by MrScientist	Mar 19th, 2008 10:58:05 AM
i mean mcgay. how long b4 bale drops out? hopefully not long. or do i want him to stay to balance this out? hmmm.
those fake ears make this kid look funny too by MrScientist	Mar 19th, 2008 11:02:02 AM
oh theyre real? oh sorry.
I remain optimistic. by JDanielP	Mar 19th, 2008 11:03:14 AM
If McG has the talent that I believe he has, he has yet to show his true potential. Thus, I predict this movie is going to surprise most people.
Abom, Ghostbusters two was a bomb by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 11:14:06 AM
Ha, I kill me. But seriously, I think many agree it sucked,and that's why if there is justice we will never see GBIII. With so many movies we love there is the oops, one too many thing going on. Robo3, a good example. Matrix also, since both Reloaded and Revolutions were filmed simultaneously.
You know, Quint... by Archive	Mar 19th, 2008 11:15:51 AM
Nobody said Kyle KNOWS Marcus is a terminator, did they? This could just be sloppy spoilage on their part, no?
veebeeyes by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 11:20:13 AM
that may be true but that's from the future Kyle was from, when he went back and fucked Linda Hamilton he changed the future, delaying it and changing the details. Judgment Day happened later, Kyle was born before Judgment Day and the humans didn't win in 2027.
Timeline question by Freakemovie	Mar 19th, 2008 11:27:12 AM
Maybe I overlooked something but isn't Kyle supposed to be roughly the same age as John?
For Quint... by 2dope	Mar 19th, 2008 11:30:03 AM
I think if you step back and think a moment, the plotline (should it be true) makes perfect sense. Should Reese befriend a Terminator, without knowing it obviously, and then the Terminator betrays him, it would completely explain his hatred and disdain for the Terminators. Just my two cents...
I've got enough good sequels to keep me happy by Spandau Belly	Mar 19th, 2008 11:32:19 AM
We've got Rambo 5, Bourne 4, 4 Fast 4 Furious, Transporter 3 all on their way, I'm a happy sequel camper right now. So another pointless Terminator fanfic epilogue will sneak by without me even thinking about watching it.
I'm thinking that ... by cruehead20	Mar 19th, 2008 11:33:17 AM
Danny Pintaro could kick this guys ass.
Uh I think Reese is just pissed that his by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 11:35:46 AM
world his a cinder, his civilization dead, their world poisoned his race is living like rats, and facing extermination. I don't think we need a touch feely oh the big bad terminator betrayed me to see his anger.
Mr. Writer... by BLEST	Mar 19th, 2008 11:46:04 AM
"He's a clone of a dead resistance fighter with a computer chip in his brain, which allows Skynet to periodically control him. Even he doesn't know he's not the real Marcus as his memories are all jumbled up after being injured. He's mostly man, but partially a machine - an experimental cyborg rather than an early Terminator - and he's constantly battling Skynet's orders without knowing it. If handled right, Kyle Reese's hatred for machines (which should be present even at a young age) is only be intensified when he discover his "friend" has had his brain scooped out by Skynet and is being forced to turn against the resistance. My bet is that Kyle is the one who ultimately terminates Marcus before Connor sends him back in time." Now, THAT would actually be good! It would fit in well with the existing mood of the the original film. Can you make the movie instead of McGay?
by redkamel	Mar 19th, 2008 11:53:18 AM
maybe the "early terminator" is the human the terminator is based on.
Yelchin's alright but... by drewlicious	Mar 19th, 2008 11:53:53 AM
I seriously wanted to punch Charlie Bartlett in the face. There were times he had my sympahty and then he pisses it away by running out and doing something annoying, like going out to the crowd and announcing that he just mated with a woman. Zap Brannigan did it better. So does this take place almost immediately after the initial attack because Yelchin doesn't look like he could survive in post-apocalyptic wasteland.
Don't hate the casting, hate the lame plot device by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 12:00:08 PM
Seriously, I like the idea that Kyle Reese's character starts out being a wide-eyed kid, looking up to his commander, who happens to be his son... I always wanted to see that dynamic on screen. I have a serious man-crush on Bale, and I'm hoping his excellence balances out the floating turd that is McG. What I can't stand, CAN'T FUCKING STAND, is yet another sub-plot with terminator love. Why, why why can't these lethal, soulless, killing machines just be left to be what they were intended to be? I know they represent our own capacity for mindless killing, our own spiritual sense of spiritual vertigo in the face of the abyss of nihilistic emptiness, but can't we please just see them slaughter a bunch of motherfuckers, please?? T2 was excellent, and the father figure subplot was necessary, and carried off well by everyone involved, but that's where it should have ended. I hate this hollywood habit of constantly trading on the successes of past sequels, upgrading plot points for the 'now' generation... it sickens me. I don't want to see anyone 'befriend' another goddamn terminator. I want to see rubber skin being burned off by heavy arms fire and waves upon waves of human soldiers being ripped to pieces by terminators in various stages of human drag. It's not fucking rocket science. Anyway, does anyone have any fucking good news today or what?
Rambo will save this one by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 12:04:32 PM
I think Rambo will appear right after Connor rape Reese, and then will reduce him to jello with his machine gun.
but it should be the same future. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 12:04:39 PM
The future from which Kyle Reese came from should be the same future that the movies are leading up to. Kyle Reese was ALWAYS John Connor's dad, hence the significance of the photograph in the first movie. The photograph that John Connor gives to Kyle Reese is EXACTLY the same photograph that Sarah Connor has taken AFTER she kills the Terminator. More importantly, she never would have taken the picture if the events of the movie had not occured, indicating that everything that happens HAS to happen exactly as it happens. Nothing should have ever been changed, nothing should have ever been delayed, and there should not be two versions of the future. The first movie in fact implies that nothing can be changed at all. Anything that happens in any of the movies should lead directly to the EXACT same future that Kyle Reese came from.
MARCUS by Kurzinski Valentine	Mar 19th, 2008 12:16:05 PM
His name might as well be "MENDOZA" OR "MATRIX" or any other super fucking generic action movie name.
HAAAAGGGGGGGISSSS! by Vern	Mar 19th, 2008 12:16:15 PM
I'm not too familiar with the kid but I don't got a problem with him. Let's be honest, Michael Biehn is not Charles Bronson. And if Edward Furlong can grow up into Christian Bale I don't see why this guy can't grow up into Biehn. Somebody else probaly mentioned this already but the more troubling news in the article is that Paul Haggis is in talks to rewrite the script. I should probaly cut the guy some slack because I have liked some of his movies, and I heard IN THE VALLEY OF ELAH was pretty good. And he didn't ruin CASINO ROYALE. But after seeing CRASH it's hard not to picture him being the guy who took the CASINO ROYALE script and said "wait, this part where she's in the shower and her devastated expression communicates everything we need to know? How about we also have her SAY IT OUT LOUD!" Or all those speeches in FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS. I am still suspicious of the guy, as if he was a Terminator. As for Sam Worthington being a Terminator, that sounds like either a mistake in the article or a huge spoiler. Isn't he supposed to be the lead character of the trilogy?
I agree with veebeeyes by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 12:17:10 PM
Hear that, McG? Cameron's movie is an example of how you make a movie properly. The opposite of a McG movie. godDAMN I'm pissed about this. I'll bet we're not even going to get the cathartic, long awaited actual WAR SCENES I've been waiting to see since I was 14. There will be no time left, after all the fucking terminator love. It's going to be like X3 all over again, I know it. How do you put Juggernaut and Colossus in the same movie, and not have a fight scene? You let a hack director get within ten miles of it, that's how.
"The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." by TallBoy66	Mar 19th, 2008 12:22:23 PM
So hopefully Teen Reese isn't just a retard who befriends some rubber skinned T-600 dude without knowing that its a Terminator. That would be kind of funny, though, in a "Weekend At Bernies" sort of way.
To be fair, the Terminator timeline alters with each movie by TallBoy66	Mar 19th, 2008 12:28:12 PM
That's the only way that the numerous continuity glitches in the series makes sense. Connor and Co. in the past kept pushing back Judgement Day's date, so then all these screwy things could happen, and the rubber skin guys could have been wiped from history. But that's a pretty weak explaination, along with "Cormarie's head had flesh on it".
Marcus and Kyle go to White Castle by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 12:38:50 PM
Kyle: Whassup, fellow human resistance fighter? Marcus9000: NOTHING TO REPORT Kyle: Awesome! Hey, I hate this war, and the rubber skinned terminators that we fight against on a daily basis. Marcus9000: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. SKYNET WILL CONQUER ALL. YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED, YOU EMOTION-FILLED MEAT-CREATURE. Kyle: You said it bro. Man it's hot in here, why aren't you sweating? And why does it smell like new tires in here? Marcus9000: YOURE GOING TO BANG YOUR COMMANDER'S MOM AND BECOME HIS DAD. CAMERON IS SUPERIOR. Kyle: Yeah? Far out... I'm hungry for McGarbage.
Ghostbusters 2... by Billy Batts	Mar 19th, 2008 12:40:30 PM
...was one of the better movie sequels.
I enjoy the tv show, but it isn't canon. by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 12:40:49 PM
Or at least, it shouldn't be. T3 barely is. The "Cormarie's head had flesh on it" explanation was almost, almost enough for me to turn it off once and for all, but I stuck it out, because I was able to take a deep breath and accept deep down in my heart that it wasn't a real Terminator story. more of a "what if", or a "Frasier" type spinoff.
veebeeyes by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 12:44:32 PM
Too bad that's how it works. They alter the future, Kyle is his father but the details change, he still has the photograph in this new future. it's a maleable timeline. Read some DC comics son.
i think T3 was the first movie to REALLY mess up. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 12:46:06 PM
Even though T2 had this sort of theme going on that Judgement Day could be stopped, I don't see that as being necesarily contradictory to the first movie. Like, I know that very few records survived Judgement Day. But if the records had survived, one could see them accurately reflecting everything that happened in Terminator or T2. For example, if one were to look up the records for Miles Dyson, one could conceivably imagine that there would be reference to him blowing up the Cyberdyne research center for reasons unknown. And for every person who the Terminators killed, one could imagine that in the future from which Kyle Reese came from, the records would bear out the fact that they died on exactly the same time and place that they died in the movies. Hell, even the existence of the first Terminator's arm and CPU. One could argue that Terminator 2 had to happen in order to prevent Judgement Day from happening BEFORE the date that it's supposed to happen. Rather than the destruction of the Terminator parts delaying Judgement Day past its original date, one could see the events of T2 as ensuring that Judgement Day happens ON THE ORIGINAL DATE. But T3 fucked it up early on in the movie, and here's how. The T-X has a list of targets to kill, AND SHE ACTUALLY KILLS THEM. Now THAT is blatantly contradictory. That should not happen. Because if they are the T-X's targets, that means that they are alive in the future. When the T-X kills them, that is actually the very first time in the entire series when we clearly and undeniably start to deal with TWO futures. One could certainly argue that that never even happened in T2. And as far as T2 occuring at all, I am willing to concede that the good Terminator went through the time machine after Kyle Reese, and that Kyle Reese never knew about it. And then they blew up the time machine. I'm willing to allow that. Because that's only two bad guys and two good guys going through the time machine before it is destroyed. But with T3 and SCC, apparently more people keep on going through the time machine. And eventually it gets to the point where I'm like, "Jesus christ, do these guys really have any intention of blowing up the time machine at all? How many fucking people are they gonna keep sending through it?"
Huff sucked and that kid needs a slappin! by Raymar	Mar 19th, 2008 12:46:44 PM
Smug little...
by JoeySS	Mar 19th, 2008 12:47:54 PM
this will be cool if he hates terminators because his friendly one turns on him at the end..lol
He was fantastic in "Charlie Bartlett" by Kid Idioteque	Mar 19th, 2008 12:50:03 PM
I haven't seen him in anything else.
I don't consider comics to be canon. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 12:52:42 PM
Besides, EVERYTHING is merely a "detail". The idea that some things have to happen, while other things are allowed to change doesn't make sense to me anyway. Everything is merely an event, and as far as causality goes, there should be nothing distinguishing one event from any other. Regardless, neither The Terminator nor Terminator 2 had a single clear instance of anything being changed, so I'm going to go with the interpretation of time travel provided by the movies. If you choose not to, that is your decision and I do not have a problem with that.
Bale and Brolin for JLA! by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 12:53:08 PM
We all know T4 will not live up to any expectations we have. Even playing the 'wait and see' card seems to be like supporting a lame duck.
Veebeeyes, that's why I had a problem with T3 as well by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 01:11:45 PM
At the end of T2, it was still conceivable that nothing had changed. There's no explanation for why, assuming that the events of the 1st movie didn't affect Commander Connor's 'present' (our future) there would be a need to send back reprogrammed Ahnold, but one assumes that after some incidental period of time, the T1000 was sent through Skynet's own time machine, swiftly followed by Arnie, thus leading to the sequel. I always assumed that it was Skynet's final bid for victory, it may have even happened IMMEDIATELY after Reese was sent through, but somehow I don't like that idea. Anyway, you're right, the Terminatrix killing Connor's agents was the first obvious time paradox- how would she know to kill them if they didn't exist in the future? Also, Arnold tells young adult Connor in T3 that they didn't stop Judgment Day, they only 'delayed' it, which bothered me, because that retroactively establishes that the events of T2 actually DID change the future, which I stubbornly reject, from the core of my dork heart. Those were just two of the problems, not even getting into some of the deeper problems with the mythos, for example, how do the humans survive the radiation in a nuclear wasteland, and, why don't the machines just wage chemical or biological warfare on the humans, but I'm getting into sacriligious territory here, so I'll stop.
ghostbusters 2 was surprising... by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 01:13:57 PM
in that no one seemed to have much of a problem with the Ghostbusters fucking up the Statue of Liberty. sure, they only did it in order to save New York City from ghosts, but still...
I just looked at the picture again... by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 01:19:59 PM
He really is a funny looking kid, isn't he? Why are his ears so high on his head? The tops of your ears are supposed to line up with your eyes. Look at yourself in the mirror. Now look at this kid.
Is this a new set of 3 T movies, no fukn way by fisheater	Mar 19th, 2008 01:25:17 PM

Snake Eyes pic tomorrow on AICN? by SpencerTrilby	Mar 19th, 2008 01:33:44 PM
IESB says so, as well as a little jab at Harry and his privileged relationship with Paramount's Senior VP in Marketing, Amy Powell... You just got married, for Christ's sake!!!
HAAAAGGGGGGGISSSS! by UMAGA	Mar 19th, 2008 01:40:08 PM
would be working on a script by the writers of CATWOMAN. Give him some slack. If T3 is any indication i'd rather have those moments you talked about then "TALK TO THE HAND!" and growing cyber-breasts.
Get DAKOTA FANNING for the Friendly Terminator by mwrisner	Mar 19th, 2008 01:48:55 PM
It'd make a great match for young, wuss-looking Reese. Crimony, I HATE when frachises do stoopid shit, like cast Shia LeBouf with Harrison Ford.
Get the kid from the TV Series by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 01:50:10 PM
He's the best Conner!
A Terminator steals Reese's skittles by Bobo_Vision	Mar 19th, 2008 01:51:57 PM
And he gets chocolate in his peanut butter. That pushes Reese over the edge and makes him hate Terminators. Before that he was neutral.
What's Wrong With Haggis? by bobinnova	Mar 19th, 2008 01:55:46 PM
Impressive resume I would say - CRASH, MILLION DOLLAR BABY, CASINO ROYALE, LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA, VALLEY OF ELAH, and he is currently working on QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
T3 doesn't have a paradox by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:10:38 PM
sure you can say it creates a paradox if she kills the guys but then again how is Kyle Reese John Connor's father? Because it's not a linear timeline, but a maleable one similar to the way Time Travel works in DC Comics with Booster Gold and Rip Hunter currently, that time adjusts itself but details change. And remember in T1 John Connor sent Kyle Reese from 2027 where they won the war, but sending Kyle back changed the future and suddenly the war was still going on in 2029 where John sent Arnold back. Remember, it's all fiction anyway and you can't say there is contradictions etc becaue you're arguing that from the mentallity that you know the specifics of time travel.
samsquanch by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:13:41 PM
The last bit makes me want to utter that immortal quote from this site "Shut the fuck up and watch the news"
Grace Park for female Terminator by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 02:14:13 PM
Way hotter than Katee Sackhoff.
The Rubber Terminator violates Reese by The Winged Doucheman	Mar 19th, 2008 02:16:23 PM
by transforming into a dildo. Trust is broken and Reese doesn't know what to believe anymore. He joins a cult and learns the way of the league of shadows. There he meets Bruce Way...er...I mean John Conner and becomes part of the resistance after Rahs Al Guhl's house is burned to the ground by T-800s. They form a rag tag bunch of singing paperboys who kill hobos and vapid socialites in a machinist shop. Then tits and explosions. Lots of em. And full frontal non-diegetic inserts. That is a fucking movie I would go see. McGriddle can suck my balls.
CHUD is saying John Connor is a glorified cameo role by IndustryKiller!	Mar 19th, 2008 02:17:36 PM
My god the news on this just keeps getting worse. I mean I knew it was gonna be bad but it sounds like we have another Waterworld on our hands here. If Bale isn't in just about every frame of this movie there will be absolutely nothing worth seeing. What kind of idiot writes a Terminator robot war movie and doesn't make John Connor the star?
i'll have to check the dates. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 02:23:57 PM
I'll have to watch Terminator and Terminator 2 again to check the dates. if they are indeed different, then i will have to revise my stance on Terminator 2. as far as how Kyle Reese can be John Connor's father, that requires a discussion about the rules of time travel, which I'm afraid I am not in the mood to get too in depth about right now. I'll bring it up later if you wish.
Yes they're going to grizzle the kid up for a photo-op by Larry Sellers	Mar 19th, 2008 02:28:29 PM
just to prove the TBers wrong. T3 contradicted the first two films, the TV series continues to do so...yet somehow this casting proves to be more controversial than either of those? T3 and the series work...and whoever above said that Terminator was a B-movie that happened to work is 100% right. I doubt that it was planned for T1 to lay the groundwork for a big budget sequel. If it's an "all out man v machine war" you're looking for...that'd be a bit boring wouldn't it? This Marcus character adds a gray area to an otherwise black and white war. And I'm sure (considering the nods the series stretches its neck out to make) they'll take into consideration Reese's personality in T1.
CHUD's intel by Freakemovie	Mar 19th, 2008 02:32:55 PM
Was on a draft of the script written before they landed Christian Bale, I believe. (Or just a rumor.) Once you land Bale to play John Fuckin Connor I have to believe you beef up the role like crazy.
Cromartie thing was bullshit!!! by pdennett316	Mar 19th, 2008 02:42:19 PM
It had flesh on it. No it fucking didn't, it clearly was just endoskeleton skull. Even if it had flesh on it, it still WOULD have flesh on it when it arrived, only dead stuff doesn't go through. The best explaination is that the people who make the show are too stupid to realise how badly they've messed up simple conventions of the series. Since when could T-800 models remotely control body parts? If that was the case the original Terminator could have used his blown off legs to kick Sarah's head in while the torso distracted her. Also this Terminator/Kyle betrayal thing reeks of shitty storytelling. Mass genocide of the majority of the human race is not enough motivation for hating machines? No, he needs to be 'emotionally betrayed'. What shit! Does he braid Reese's hair wrong leading to him being picked on? "I was embarrassed at the annual Judgement Day Remembrance Ball...how could you Marcus?" "Bwahhaaahaaa, that was Skynet's plan all along, to stop you being a fierce and charismatic leader by making everyone think you are a loser! We win puny human!" What fucking dreck!
I'm not even pissed about who they casted.I'm pissed about... by Mace Richardson	Mar 19th, 2008 02:42:43 PM

I'm not even pissed about the casting.I'm pissed about... by Mace Richardson	Mar 19th, 2008 02:43:19 PM

I'm not even pissed about the casting.I'm pissed about... by Mace Richardson	Mar 19th, 2008 02:47:05 PM
...the fact that hes a fucking kid!!!Goddamn it!!!So unless this movie takes place over 10 fucking years there gonna make another movie!There going to keep dragging this shit out and it will be horrible.This movie should be about how john connor finally defeats skynet because for the last 25 years thats what everyone has been telling us so just fucking do it already!
I saw Michael Biehn by Autodidact	Mar 19th, 2008 02:55:21 PM
I saw Michael Biehn at the Sherman Oaks Galleria once, going to a movie with a young man I assume was his son. On impulse I yelled out "Hey Hicks!" and he looked right over at me with a sort of "hello, I am acknowledging you, but please leave me alone moron" kind of look. I felt kinda silly and guilty. Just because you recognize someone's face from a movie doesn't mean you need to intrude on their private moments.
Do you fucking idiots... by Autodidact	Mar 19th, 2008 03:01:50 PM
Do you fucking idiots really think Kyle's extreme hatred for terminator robots requires any explanation beyond the fact that they are stalking the earth and trying to wipe out humanity? I think that's reason enough you fucking morons,.
No Plans To See This One by Teddy Artery	Mar 19th, 2008 03:07:42 PM
I'm marking my calendar now.
Forgot About K2 ... Great Flick by Autodidact	Mar 19th, 2008 03:09:17 PM
K2 is an awesome movie starring Michael Biehn. It's based on a play about mountain climbing. The most recent high profile role of his that I can remember is when he played the main villain in The Art Of War, a half-decent, run-of-the-mill Wesley Snipes action piece.
The Marcus character is the Lead character.... by travis-dane	Mar 19th, 2008 03:09:34 PM
in the first new Terminator movie.John Connor's part will be bigger in part 2&3 of the new Trilogy.Let's see what part Josh Brolin will play.I will give it a chance.The producers and McG had talks with Cameron and he was pleased with the development of the new Movie.I trust Cameron.
@pdennett by logicalnoise01	Mar 19th, 2008 03:18:30 PM
The producers said they specifically made sure some flesh was still on the skeleton. and the models seen in the show are t-888s. Based on what's happened they have better human interactive personalities. They can in fact learn and they have a lot more redundant safegaurds against deactivation.
Wolfman pics at ew.com by Flying Spaghetti Monster	Mar 19th, 2008 03:19:31 PM

He made out with Kat Dennings' breasticles by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 19th, 2008 03:36:39 PM
therefore he is a god amonst men. No mortal can survive that infinite abyss known as Kat Dennings' cleavage.
Not really liking the cast beyond Christian Bale by TVguy4566	Mar 19th, 2008 03:39:45 PM
I thought the Marcus character was supposed be a Vin Deisel type of character. I looked up Sam Worthington on IMDB and he looks far more Ben Affleck than Vin Deisel. Now they hire an actor to play Kyle Reese who looks more like a guy who is destined to be the father of an A/V geek, not the guy who is supposed to be the savior of the humans vs. the machines.
betrayal by SOHOMEMADEITHURTS	Mar 19th, 2008 03:40:58 PM
Could it be that this "Friend" ends up being the template for the first terminator.....
McG is for McGeezus by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 19th, 2008 03:42:34 PM
just watch, this movie will be the bomb. Literally.
THE NEW SHIA LA BEEF by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 03:50:21 PM

You've already mentioned that. by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 04:15:18 PM
I'm beginning to think from the way you post, you either have a really short memory, or there's multiple people sharing that account.
The TV version picked Jonathan Jackson as young Reese by smackfu	Mar 19th, 2008 04:19:14 PM
And McGee picked Screech. You know a production is already fucked when the co-ax arm of the franchise makes better casting choices than the 100 million dollar feature...
IT'S THE KYLE REESE SHOW ... by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 04:22:49 PM
on Nickalodeon!!!
Next they will put a dog in it. by kabong	Mar 19th, 2008 04:44:40 PM
Kyle Reese discovers that his dog can sniff Terminators and John Connor says, "Good boy!" to Kyle and also to the dog, which will get a name like Lassie or Rin Tin Tin, and there will be zany hijinks, and John Connor will get a girlfriend w

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