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Second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TubewayArmy
Jul 21st, 2008
05:09:57 PM
Hot milk... mmm tweak my nipple
Go Jesus Go!!
by FlickaPoo
Jul 21st, 2008
05:09:58 PM
I dug the trailer and hope Moriarty has some pull
by BillEmic
Jul 21st, 2008
05:12:09 PM
I watched the trailer on AICN a few days ago and I'd definitely plunk down $8 to see this on the big screen. I like the idea of vikings + aliens, and I'm a big fan of Jim C. (Thin Red Line, anyone?) 50 screens wouldn't do this flick justice.
The first two sentences annoyed me
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jul 21st, 2008
05:13:10 PM
So I posted this. Now I'll go finish it.
bravo!
by The InSneider
Jul 21st, 2008
05:14:56 PM
well done, mori. that struck just the right tone. hopefully he'll listed and take your advice. not sure this sounds like my cup of tea either. in fac i'd never even heard of it before. but if it provoked such a passionate letter it must be worth it. love the story of beowulf and i really wanna see that standout scene of perlman's... i'm gonna go hunt down a crappy trailer.
brilliant
by ddog
Jul 21st, 2008
05:15:02 PM
thats all i got to say.moriartys got some cojones. thats great letting your opinion out.
Is it true the Weinsteins hold the rights to Susperia?
by wash
Jul 21st, 2008
05:17:05 PM
It needs to be on Blu-Ray, like yesterday. But knowing the Weinsteins, they're probably trying to cut out 30 minutes and replace the Goblin score with Lil' Wayne or something.
grueman
by jamestewart007
Jul 21st, 2008
05:19:59 PM
You forgot nipples. cool letter. Haven't heard of this film. Might have to wait until the dvd comes out.
The trailer blew me away, I WANT to see this movie
by DrPain
Jul 21st, 2008
05:20:31 PM
50 screens, thats it?? Please give Outlander a chance, I told all my friends and family about it as soon as I finished watching its trailer and then they all got excited about it as well. I want to see this movie in a theater.
I loved this - Mr. Weinstein
by sabrinaloves
Jul 21st, 2008
05:31:30 PM
I need this movie. Mr. Weinstein should fucking listen. Im in the dirty south. When no one pays attention it us it makes us angry.. Give me the film.. I've got a whole army of people who would embrace this film. The trailer I have shown to my friends, they love it. We want it here.. I'll take it.. I'll screen it some where.. I'd love to mount a viral army for this film.. I believe in it.
You're the Man, Drew!
by Jackson Healy
Jul 21st, 2008
05:33:18 PM
btw, Inglourious Basterds does fucking rule!
i think the direction should consider himself lucky
by Magic Rat
Jul 21st, 2008
05:34:45 PM
this doesn't go straight to DVD with the way it looks.

Jim Caveezel as a lead in an action movie? You're asking for trouble.

This might, in fact, be a very good film. But it'll do about as well as Reign of Fire, probably worse, considering the lower level of talent involved.

If your goal to make this movie find an audience, then there's nothing wrong with straight to DVD. It seems like the kind of movie I'd rent in a slow Blockbuster week. Shelling out $12 at the theater, though, that's another story. Sign up an A-list actor and maybe.
Do these open letters do anything?!?
by Brians Life
Jul 21st, 2008
05:46:13 PM
I'm SERIOUSLY asking (though with admitedly a bit of cynicism)...

has there EVER been a case in which some one was so blown away by an open letter that they went and pulled a MIRACLE on 34th STREET!?!?
umm- who do you think you are?
by Rubiks Doob
Jul 21st, 2008
05:47:10 PM
50 screens and a DVD release costs a lot of money. this is a semi-ok looking movie. Tell you what, you go make your own studio and get your own money to back it up. Then you can put whatever crap you want to on as many screens as possible. The Weinsteins are still in business because they know WTF they are doing- you armchair quarterback nerd...
Agree with Magic Rat
by hiperaktiv
Jul 21st, 2008
05:47:28 PM
This is not the kind of movie that would do well in a cinema, unless its really got something special and unique to it, which judging by the trailer - it doesnt look like it has. It might be ok for a DVD rental but seeing it in the cinema? Nar it might do ok, but i can understand the Weinsteins decision to show it in a limited number of cinemas. If the Weinsteins do give it a wide release and they lose a tonne of money, are you going to pick up the bill Mori?
Moriarty's good deed
by pipergates
Jul 21st, 2008
05:49:20 PM
(boyscout). The movie looks like great fun as you describe it, and i couldn't agree more with you about respecting it. Some fine actors and design work and concepts in here. What is it with the Weinsteins and the dumping of promising material??
You may want to edit your typos, Moriarty.
by Kurzinski Valentine
Jul 21st, 2008
05:51:33 PM
You know..if you want to be taken seriously. *cough*
Mori
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
05:52:44 PM
The guy you're sending this letter to knows how to market a film. I didn't see anything special in the trailer. The acting looked somewhat passable, but the cinematography was weak. This looks like a bad combination/best of compilation for The 13th Warrior, and Shakespeare In Love. Magic Rat's right, films can still, and usually do find their auidences on DVD, now more than ever.
would my girlfriend want to see this movie?
by Magic Rat
Jul 21st, 2008
05:56:30 PM
no. Would she watch it on cable if it comes on? Maybe.

That's how you judge a wide release film. would any woman you know be interested in this?
the concept sounds cool.
by Mr_X
Jul 21st, 2008
05:59:11 PM
I've seen the trailer also looks cool. seriously i'd rather watch this compared to unglorious motherfuckers and speed racer. has a preditor vibe that i can't resist!
Would my wife want to watch this movie?
by Antz
Jul 21st, 2008
06:03:43 PM
Definitely.
I See...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:05:41 PM
... so when it's FANBOYS, fans will unite sight unseen because "it's about STAR WARS," and they'll organize ridiculous boycotts, but when I publish a simple open letter about a film I've actually seen that I think deserves better than a dump, I'm somehow in the wrong. Innnnnteresting...
YES
by salamimansam
Jul 21st, 2008
06:10:50 PM
THis is a movie I am excited to see, and want to see it in a nice theater. Please make it happen for us Big W!
YES!!
by salamimansam
Jul 21st, 2008
06:12:14 PM
Make it happen. Make it happen. Whatever happened to the small, fun sci-fi flicks anyhow? This looks great.
Rubiks Doob
by BadMrWonka
Jul 21st, 2008
06:14:21 PM
jesus christ...if you go that stupid route, not only are you going to bore any talkbacker that's been here more than 2 weeks (since we hear it a lot...I've been here for 8 years, so I'm damn near impervious to it) but you're also just making yourself look like an idiot.

using your same completely fallacious logic, couldn't I rag on you for criticizing Mori, since he is doing HIS job, and you are NOT a reviewer or contributor to this site?

Mori's job is to critique not just film, but the entire system of film. the machinations and fights, and deals, and all of that...it's not separate from the movies themselves. Mori is taking a movie that he enjoyed (and you know, his opinion may not trump yours, but the fact that millions of people read it on this site, while you're playing Madden says something) and he's championing it.

and instead of taking that for what it is, you've gotta be the cool kid and come take a dump on it.

well guess what? the coolest kid from my high school is now a valet. when you grow up you'll get it.

I've never understood this.
by FluffyUnbound
Jul 21st, 2008
06:17:25 PM
"Shelling out $12 at the theater, though, that's another story. Sign up an A-list actor and maybe." What the hell does THIS mean? If you make THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - or hell, if you make THE LAST MAN ON EARTH - I don't give a shit who's in it. I'll go. If you make MAMMA MIA I also don't give a shit who's in it - I am not going. Are there really people out there who say, "Wow, that doesn't sound like a movie I want to see - but Tom Cruise is in it, so I guess I'll go." Way to enable a corrupt and debased star system, dude.
Moriarty...
by Mr_X
Jul 21st, 2008
06:19:18 PM
we're a fickle lot
The Real Reason Mori Wrote This
by Funketeer
Jul 21st, 2008
06:22:00 PM
He wanted us to know he's met Harvey Weinstein.
Mori, I agree there is a market for these genre films
by DougMcKenzie
Jul 21st, 2008
06:23:50 PM
But the market is in DVD, not theatres. Unless you can muster up that huge ad campaign, then no one will know about it. The Internet can get you some early buzz, but a lot of that is done after opening weekend. Serenity is a great example. It's BO was crap, but it did huge on DVD. Great word of mouth and Internet buzz, helped with the latter, but the not the former.
You Answered Your Own Question Mori
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
06:24:09 PM
Yeah, fanboys will unite and be stupid over Star Wars. It's called having a built in passionate fanbase. If Outlander's destined to a similar fate, it will find it's core fans on DVD... Where it goes from there is entirely up to the passion it elicits. Look, even if this thing got a wide release, it doesn't look like it has the chops to do anything more than 10 to 15 million in it's first week (if even that). I don't care if that's during the summer, or middle of winter.
"I know you're having financial problems right now"
by smackfu
Jul 21st, 2008
06:25:40 PM
You may want to consider cutting that out of your open letter. There's a pretty good chance that one line is going to turn him from open-minded interest to 'who the fuck is this shitbag nobody to think he can talk to me like this?'
it sounds innocuous enough to say, but to be on the receiving end of it, depending on a persons pride, sense of privacy, and general sensitivity to the subject, may not see it as an innocuous sentence.
I Think
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
06:28:57 PM
This letter will get removed, along with some of our posts about the stupidity used in writing it.
But, Snakes...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:29:34 PM
... I've seen FANBOYS, and guess what? It's not a STAR WARS film. There are no spaceships or real lightsabers in it. It's just a (fairly terrible) comedy that makes a few STAR WARS jokes. So if the "built in passionate fanbase" is that gullible that they'll suck down anything that even passingly MENTIONS something they like, then I guess I give up. Pardon me for suggesting that a new film of actual merit be treated well. How dare I?
And, Uh...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:30:24 PM
... no. The letter's not going anywhere. And I really don't care if a small vocal minority in talkback doesn't like it. If I did, I would have run screaming from AICN years ago.
I wouldn't recommend Harvey throwing his money at this film
by smackfu
Jul 21st, 2008
06:31:22 PM
I'm sure it will be fantastic, but viking films don't market well, and usually bomb at the box office. The trailers for this follow the trend, they look completely uninteresting and straight-to-video quality. Again, I'm sure once I saw it, I might love it, but all the rest of the filmgoing public has to go on is the vibe it throws off, and it throws off a pretty mediocre vibe. I think this puppy just needs to find it's cult following on DVD.
You're Forgiven
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
06:31:44 PM
By me. Maybe not by Harvey, er- Mr. I'm In The Poorhouse Weinstein... Way to burn bridges, by the way.
This letter pleases me
by O_Goncho
Jul 21st, 2008
06:32:57 PM
Whole-heartedly. I've been anticipating this film ever since I stumbled onto it's synopsis like 2 years ago whilst browsing Karl Urban's imdb. He dropped out, but I'm delighted to see that not only did it actually get made but that it recieves glowing praise. Thanks, Mori. Now when it is dumped I'll know to seek out that DVD.
Mori
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
06:35:17 PM
You've removed stuff before. And what the fuck's been released in the last decade that would give this guy any confidence in putting his already dwindling finances in a movie about vikings and spaceships. I'm not trying to damper your pampers here Mori, hell, I want to see this film, but I'm totally fine no splooging all over myself if that first viewing of it does not come in a thatre.
I agree. The "financial problems" line..
by SkeletonParty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:37:10 PM
with a link is sort of a slap in the face.

I'm very interested in seeing this movie and I had no idea it was getting a small release. I'm bummed.

SmackFu
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:37:28 PM
... so don't sell it as a Viking film. Sell it as PREDATOR. Which is a fine comparison. Or are we now unable to sell monster movies, too?

I just don't get this defeatist bullshit. This is why studios only make sequels and remakes, kids, because the moment there's even the slightest challenge in marketing A VERY GOOD MOVIE, it's easier to fold and dump it to DVD than it is to actually try to find the right audience.

Bullshit on that.

You tell 'em Mori
by Sebilrazen
Jul 21st, 2008
06:38:10 PM
I figured out it was Beowulf from the early trailers, similar to the way I figured out WAR (Jet Li, Jason Statham) was just the Count of Monte Cristo.
The Financial Problems...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:40:03 PM
... have been the subject of about 20 articles in the past few months from other press, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Sorry, but that's reality, not a slap in the face. I didn't say it's Harvey's fault... but certainly, they have to be facing some hard choices as a company right now, and this is a finished film that they own that's ready for theatrical release. Wouldn't you think making money off of a movie might be a nice way to help turn things around?

Again, pardon me if my ideas seem baffling or revolutionary, or if the mere mention of a fiscal reality is enough to derail the message of the piece.

Well, someone did believe in this movie
by harosa
Jul 21st, 2008
06:41:34 PM
It apparently got money and actors to make this genre film so let's not say sequels and remakes are all the studios make, getting it out there now and people aware of it is a totally different game nowadays.
I was an extra on Outlander
by ChetPussy
Jul 21st, 2008
06:42:51 PM
Alot of the movie was shot in my home province of Newfoundland. I was an extra in a few scenes and spent about a week on set. Howard McCain was a true gentleman and professional and you could tell that this project was his baby. I had a great time on set and i'm hoping I can actually see the finished product on the big screen.
Moriarty, didn't anyone ever teach you how to write a letter?
by ZeroC
Jul 21st, 2008
06:43:51 PM
You see, when you write an open letter to someone making a request, you should not wait until paragraph 12 of 15 to get to the point of it. That's a lot of fucking preamble, dude. I know it's supposed to really be a review under the guise of a letter, so I guess what I'm really saying is that your gimmick failed.
Mori, I think it is great that you published an open letter
by toadkillerdog
Jul 21st, 2008
06:45:43 PM
This is the kind of movie that geeks should be drooling over. The TB's on this site alone concerning this flick have been overflowing with B movie love. dargon, Vikings and Jesus? Oh, My!
Damn typos
by toadkillerdog
Jul 21st, 2008
06:46:29 PM
I meant Dragons, Vikings and Jesus. Oh, My!
Mori is officially on the Comic-Con schedule!
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 21st, 2008
06:48:03 PM
Star Wars day, nice.

I have to consult my Comic Con panel Excel spreadsheet schedule, I think this might conflict with the Battlestar Panel. Tough decisions.

any hot chicks at your panel, Drew?

Mori, for a level-headed
by comedian_x
Jul 21st, 2008
06:49:16 PM
producer your mention of fiscal reality might be welcomed. For the Weinsteins (who are histrionic at best and raving loons at worst) would not welcome your suggestions and would put out a smoldering cigar in your eye for even the hint of fallibility.
Bobo_Vision's Open Letter to Mr. T
by Bobo_Vision
Jul 21st, 2008
06:49:23 PM
Dear Mr. T,

You are totally awesome. You are cordially invited to my house for dinner, and then you and I can be best friends. Please bring with you a Mr. T lunchbox, some Mr. T cereal, and the Mr. T mohawk and chains starter kit.

Your Pal,

Bobo_Vision

In Doing Some Research
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
06:52:15 PM
That letter was about as bad as the script of Mori's someone posted on his IMDB page. "Amusing" indeed.
Hey, Sherlock...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 21st, 2008
06:54:40 PM
... I posted an entire screenplay of mine here last week in COAX. You should look that up if you really want to find reasons to take shots at me instead of actually discussing the substance of the article. Oh, wait, you already decided to make this about pissing on me instead of supporting the release of original genre fare. Got it. Never mind.
This is why you write about movies not make them,
by Rubiks Doob
Jul 21st, 2008
06:54:49 PM
So your solution to a movie company that is hurting financially is that they throw away a lot more money on a wide release that looks like the very model of a direct to video junk film. Just because you saw it and liked it doesn't mean anyone else plans to. If it does well in 50 screens they can always expand it. If it tanks and I'd guess it will tank hard because it looks dumb and has little broad appeal with no known actors they won't have risked much and they can make it back on the DVD. Most movies that go direct to video deserve to and this is one of them. Sorry you chose to take a stand for such a shitty looking film but there are definitely worse tragedies in the world. And oh btw Fanboys looks like ass too. So there...
If we were in Mori's place...
by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR
Jul 21st, 2008
06:58:02 PM
most of us would do the same thing he did. I sure would. Why not? Goodluck Mori.
Mori
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 21st, 2008
06:58:19 PM
I wasn't pissing on you. I'm sure you're a great dad, and person, and blah blah blah. I'm pissing on your writing, and horrible idea to set ol' Harv straight. YOU'RE not stupid, just the recent things you've done. See ya at the Outlander convention in 20 years!
Sounds a lot better than Fanboys
by phaedrus007
Jul 21st, 2008
06:58:32 PM
I'd see this movie. Is one of those 50 screens in NYC?
I appreciate that Mori's doing something...
by Amy Chasing
Jul 21st, 2008
07:00:53 PM
but will Weinstein read it? He's a busy guy... Even Whedon has said that petitions have little effect on studios, and that's with lots of people's signatures. How much effect will one person's letter have I do have to wonder? Not to bag the attempt or anything. Just call me a doubter.
To Rubiks Doob...
by Davaldod
Jul 21st, 2008
07:01:06 PM
Where in the hell do you get the huevos to declare OUTLANDER "the very model of a direct to video junk film"? I'm sorry, have you SEEN OUTLANDER? You really feel authoritative making this pronouncement on the basis of a trailer you saw on the web?! Incredible.
Rubiks Doob
by BadMrWonka
Jul 21st, 2008
07:01:45 PM
god, here you go again. I thought you were done.

"this is why you write about movies and not make them"

actually, he has and does write movies. how about you?

"throw away a lot more money on a wide release"

upping it form 50 theaters is not necessarily a wide release, for god sake. no one is trying to put this on 4000 screens. he's just saying that a little more would help to give it a bump.

"little broad appeal with no known actors"

sigh...ron perlman is one of the hottest actors out there right now. have you heard of a gigantic film called Hellboy? hard to see through the make-up (and your noodle brain) but he's the lead. jim cavaziel has also headlined movies, and was the LEAD in one of the most controversial and highest grossing films of all time, passion of the christ.

"Fanboys looks like ass too. So there..."

christ you are dumb, MORI ALREADY SAID HE DIDN'T EVEN THINK IT WAS FUNNY. he used it to make a point.

seriously. a valet. someday you'll understand.

Looks fine to me...
by Animus
Jul 21st, 2008
07:01:47 PM
If I don't see this in the theaters, there's a big chance I'll never ever see it on DVD.
Seriously though...
by Bobo_Vision
Jul 21st, 2008
07:03:01 PM
...if you believe in a project and want to get through to suits, go for it. These open letters have gotten attention in the past. Even though Vern's open letter to Fox didn't get them to make the latest Die Hard R-rated, it did get Bruce Willis to start posting here and try to convince people that his movie wasn't going to suck despite the rating. And "Fanboys" won in the end, so if you really believe in the film, I hope this letter gets the ball rolling.
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Jul 21st, 2008
07:11:44 PM
No. But I got head in the front row of The Grudge.
Hmmm, The Beowulf + Predator Connection Really Got My Attention
by cowboyone
Jul 21st, 2008
07:14:15 PM
Nice job. Lots of compelling points here. I'm on board.
Mori
by vadakinX
Jul 21st, 2008
07:19:50 PM
We both know that Hollywood execs are notoriously stubborn. When they make up their mind about something it's going to take something phenomenal to change it.

Even if you get the likes of Moviehole, Comingsoon, IESB etc on board to start actively promoting this film, even if you are able to generate a tremendous buzz online about the film there are four words to remember: Snakes On A Plane.

That was a movie that had increbible buzz online and had the studio backing it...and look what happened...nothing. The came and went without as much as a whimper.

Outlander doesn't even have the studio backing it. The only semblence of any promotion has come from the two trailers. You may say that Outlander and SOAP are two completely different films, but at their core, they are both designed to be fun popcorn films, the types of film that you just have a great time watching.

Believe me, I'd love to see Outlander on the big screen, but Weinstein just isn't going to take the chance based on the words of movie geeks on the internet.

That's not to say that generating buzz about the film is a bad idea, quite the opposite. It has to be focused, not on the internet at large, but in real world locations, specifically the 50 places the movie will be shown. The only hope the film has for a wide release is if it consistently sells out those 50 screens.

Viking films don't sell well?
by antonphd
Jul 21st, 2008
07:20:28 PM
What the fuck was Lord of the Rings? It was a viking story with hobbits(representing bored from comfort english folks) getting to tag along for the adventures.
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Jul 21st, 2008
07:20:44 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
Bobo
by vadakinX
Jul 21st, 2008
07:24:17 PM
Actually I think I might be the one who got Willis to come here. Back when Stallone did his Rocky Q&A, I asked if he could get Willis to do the same for Die Hard, he said he'd try and what happened? Willis started posting in the run up to the release of Die Hard IV.

Though I suppose the general point of these sort of things being able to influence studios holds true, though it's rare. What has been shown though is that talkbackers can't influence the potential audience, as shown by Snakes on a Plane.

Outlander
by antonphd
Jul 21st, 2008
07:27:38 PM
Thanks for the open letter, Moriarty. I am a game producer and nothing is more dissapointing then seeing a great piece of entertainment get shuffled to the bargain bin because it isn't given a chance... because the people holding on to it didn't 'get' it or the audience for it. This film will go on to become a cult classic, but nobody gets to enjoy it where the way it's meant to be enjoyed... on the big screen with a rowdy action fan audience. I still remember having fun with the discount theater crowds watching The Frighteners and Deep Rising and Pitch Black. These films do have a solid audience. Don't open it a week before The Dark Knight and you should do fine.
Dang
by pax256
Jul 21st, 2008
10:27:06 PM
This just fell on my radar... I wasnt sure I would even rent it... bad trailers with seemingly predictable storyline. now I dont think I can afford to miss it... the idea of missing out on something cool like Pitch Black all these years is unthinkable.
oh, btw, the point of movies isn't to entertain
by Magic Rat
Jul 21st, 2008
10:28:29 PM
it's to make money. No A-list actors and a weird premise for a film = not a lot of money made.

A-list actors help sell a film. Is anyone going to want to watch Letterman to see Jim Caveelzel sell this movie? Or Ron Pearlman (as cool as I think he is)?

If I'm going to the theater, it's going to be with my girlfriend. very rarely will I go by myself. if I do, it's for something spectaular that she's not interested in (ala The Dark Knight). It won't be for a movie like this, which so far, has nothing in it that seems interesting and doesn't star anyone I particularly trust to make a good movie.

But hell, if I saw it for free, like Moriarity did, I might like it a lot too.
Beowulf and Grendel...
by Neosamurai85
Jul 21st, 2008
10:31:54 PM
Is still my favorite from this recent Beowulf wave. The vibe I'm getting for this film is somewhere between Dragon Slayer and Reign of Fire, with a dash of I Come in Peace added just for the twisted hell of it. Not quite sure what to make of that kind of vibe, but I'm certainly interested.
The perfect film to put into wide release...
by Antz
Jul 21st, 2008
10:42:40 PM
... right about the time they start pushing all the artsy oscar films.
Midnight Meat Train letter, too? Please?
by necgray
Jul 21st, 2008
10:51:11 PM
As a Clive Barker fan, I implore you. Lionsgate is going through a similar "we're bleeding money, so let's fuck over the small non-DTV genre films" phase.
there is only one viking movie, and it is...
by bernard
Jul 21st, 2008
10:52:48 PM
THE VIKINGS (1958)

Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis rock that shit.

Magic Rat
by BadMrWonka
Jul 21st, 2008
10:58:48 PM
I thought you were dumb when you said that the Godfather was boring and overrated, but now, man...that crock of meandering babble might be even worse...

so the point of movies is to make money and nothing else? the point of investing in bearer bonds is to make money. commercial movies have economic concerns like any other large piece of art, but it is not purely so.

and what are you talking about only going to the movies if your girlfriend wants to go. how many movies are there about eating pancakes and bacon? that makes no sense.

oh yeah...and inglorious bastards
by bernard
Jul 21st, 2008
10:59:06 PM
has a genius climax with intestines and fire and a giant head, but i agree that there wasn't enough of the bastards...especially to validate splitting the movie in two.

i also felt that the last line in the script was really pushing the lines of ego-maniacal self indulgence, but it was a fun read.

magic rat
by BadMrWonka
Jul 21st, 2008
11:00:47 PM
sorry, that was Batzilla with the Godfather thing. you sound like him, so I was confused.

you are only half stupid, I apologize.

VIKINGS AND ALIENS AND DRAGONS? SERIOUSLY?
by BringingSexyBack
Jul 21st, 2008
11:01:47 PM
Color me intrigued. I'd usually steer clear of a movie with a leading character named Gunnar, but what the hell ... like Mori said, it's better than a shit sequel/remake.
Weinsteins have been consistently terrible...
by TheAD
Jul 21st, 2008
11:09:02 PM
at marketing their films. Grindhouse might have had a chance if they bothered to market it at all. It seems to me they are still blaming grindhouse-the-movie for it's failure in theatrical distribution. That grudge seems to be carrying over here I think... I mean why the hell else isn't the theatrical version of grindhouse on DVD yet?
you're talking about a studio head
by Magic Rat
Jul 21st, 2008
11:09:15 PM
from a studio head's POV, the point of movies is to make money.

that was my point.

as for only going to movies with my girlfriend, yeah, it's called having a girlfriend. I'll go by myself on occasion if it's something she doesn't want to see and I do, but we usually go together because we get in for free because she used to work at the local theater.
BadMrWonka
by Xiphos_2
Jul 21st, 2008
11:22:01 PM
How dare you darken the good name of Valets, sir! I shall sick the Valets Union of America(VUoA) upon you. See if anybody carries your bags into a hotel now buster, or makes reservations for you at a good resturant. I think not!
The letter
by Echorock
Jul 21st, 2008
11:46:43 PM
Personally, I don't know what effect this letter will have, but I am thrilled that someone is out there taking a stand on the movie. And I gotta tell you, it's fun as hell to hear everyone argue about it. So when it gets out into theaters, even if it's just 50, I hope you'll all give it a shot. (And THEN if you don't like it, you can all rip us a new one) Thanks, The Writer.
ok
by captainalphabet
Jul 21st, 2008
11:51:23 PM
strong work mori. i'll check out the flick (which prior i thought sounded pretty stupid).
About Oscars every time
by Series7
Jul 21st, 2008
11:52:56 PM
Like what they did with Control? A movie that no one saw and it should've gotten some noms.
Echorock, I hope to
by TheAD
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:02:19 AM
"when it gets out into theaters, even if it's just 50, I hope you'll all give it a shot. " Only 50 screens almost guarantees that it won't play in my town though, which really frustrates me. But as long as the weinsteins are having it, I doubt there will be enough cash to make the apropriate marketing campagne to make a larger release viable.
Xiphos
by BadMrWonka
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:04:47 AM
you ain't no Valet!!!

I had valet friends in college and it just seemed like they were stuck with it cos they didn't want to work hard enough to be a barback or busboy. and the tips for those jobs were double, and with ZERO risk of getting your shit kicked in for scratching a mercedes...

how goes things man? I got my website up and I'm a sneeze away from a book deal for some pieces of my writing, but I hesitate to put it on here for fear of intense ridicule by people who hate...you know...cats?

BMW
by Xiphos_2
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:22:22 AM
If you have a zone account shoot me the info there. oddly enough, I use the same handle there.
Dude, I'm your wingman on this...
by Clarence Boddicker
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:36:33 AM
Moriarty, you're 100 percent spot on. This IS a relatively original idea that deserves some support from not only our community, but from the producers themselves...sweet Jesus people...if films like this can't fly we'll be stuck with Legally Blond 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7! Or worse...a trilogy of Sex and the City movies...oh wait...
Hi, Tom Bodet!
by Uncapie
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:51:28 AM
Gumbarr and his pony pal, Cokey tooooooo! Come on folks; sing along!
An open door for Mori: Hey wipe your feet!
by Stormwatcher
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:53:01 AM
Mori. give us the dream casting on Ing Bastards. Where does Stallone fit in? What about Willis?

by Stormwatcher
Jul 22nd, 2008
12:53:13 AM
This will bomb
by Series7
Jul 22nd, 2008
01:14:35 AM
Sorry, maybe 20 million if they are lucky. Unless they wait another year to put it out and get the hype train rolling. Pitch Black only did about 30 million, it only has a chance at being a sleeper hit.
Hans Zimmer is not a bad thing?
by therealkumar
Jul 22nd, 2008
01:20:24 AM
Could have fooled me.
I still think Caviezel should be Superman
by DarthBakpao
Jul 22nd, 2008
01:53:48 AM
Sounds like great fun in theaters
by SpencerTrilby
Jul 22nd, 2008
01:57:52 AM
As much as I dislike your writing on this site most of the time, many kudos for writing this article Mori. Albeit I'm not sure the "open letter" thing was the most pertinent way to put it. And like others said, Pitch Black wasn't exactly a smash hit in theaters, more like a video sensation. But I'd see that in theaters, for sure. If only it was released in a theater neer my ass.
You fucking rock Moriarty!
by Womb2dooM
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:10:27 AM
I can't count how many times I've seen a great movie disappear through the cracks due to no studio support/audience and no mountain for me to scream from.

THIS is why I love this site. It's from and for passionate, positive film lovers. I'm adding OUTLANDER to my must see list. Sold. IF it ever gets an Australian cinema release...

Hey, here's a rather obvious thought - why not do this monthly? Choose one movie that is drowning or possibly gonna drown in cinemas and throw some vocal support behind it. Slap a face or 2. Keep it in the main article area on the left for the whole month. If there aren't any movies drowning in the cinema that month, pick one from a back catalogue of movies that have already dropped through the cracks. I'm positive you will ready, willing and able long-list of volunteers of writers here ready to be heard...

Go, Aintitcool News! Go!

WhinyNegativeBitch...
by Womb2dooM
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:41:47 AM
I guess that makes me irregular, huh? Considering the company, I'll take that as a good thing.

Just the one 'b' in 'Womb' champ. Thanks for your time.

I'm really looking forward to Oulander BUT
by D o o d
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:45:16 AM
Even I found that letter to be Nauseating and patronising.
whiny
by wyvern
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:46:40 AM
I do agree with ya on this site pimping shit that shouldn't be.I think this movie more then others deserves a second looks besides the first crappy trailer and roll your eyes on the basic idea of viking,alien, and monster/dragon being a fun film.
People are still curious about INGLORIOUS BASTARDS?
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:47:31 AM
Weird.

No Stallone/Schwarzenegger/Willis crossover plus directed by Quentin fuckin'overrated Tarantino. Meh.

Only one weak point to the letter
by subfreq
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:58:35 AM
Inglorious Bastards is a 6/10 script. It was the biggest missed opportunity I have ever read. Great letter , commend your sentiment man.
Then again I should point out
by D o o d
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:59:54 AM
That I do admire mori's passion when he gets behind a movie. A lot of what he said in that letter is what I would call "A good thing to do" If there's a good director out there then let's help him out
Whiny...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 22nd, 2008
02:59:58 AM
... yep. Glad I did it, too. I love SPEED RACER. Saw it twice in IMAX. Love love love it. And you can try to use that as a club against me, but I don't give a fuck. It's a great movie.
Good job Moriarty
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 22nd, 2008
03:02:15 AM
The trailer looks like fun, I hope Weinstein gives the film a chance.
10,000 BC
by antonphd
Jul 22nd, 2008
03:14:52 AM
I got this on dvd tonight because the dvd said there was a different ending and I was stupid enough to think that meant that there was a chance that there might have been more fleshing out of the bad guy... maybe a bit more backstory or possibly something remotely close to a climax for the film. If this shit of a movie can get a wide release by selling it as a film by the ID4 dude... then fuck... Moriarty is right about Outlander... throw a name in the mix that has box office draw... add someone as a producer so you can say it's from the producer of such and such film... Outlander has more going for it in the trailer then 10,000 BC has in the entire waste of time film. I'm personally tired of the sharp but small sci-fi/fantasy films being flushed down the direct to dvd toilet. And I second the Beowulf and Grendel love. Saw it in Seattle in one of the handful of showings and loved it. I saw it because I liked Butler from Timeline(the only thing good about that movie). There's a film that deserved being direct to dvd instead of Beowulf and Grendel.
to the sight-unseen haters
by jofex
Jul 22nd, 2008
03:25:41 AM
its amazing how quick some fanboys are to eat their young, meaning the subject matter they purportedly love (um... 80's style sci-fi, dragons, Vikings). If Outlander was a neglected child instead of a neglected movie would you beat it to death to make yourself feel better?
if it was their money...
by jofex
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:12:20 AM
then I think there should be an alternate site for amateur scared-shitless wannabe producers who run at the first sign of a marketing challenge. Besides shame on you terds for thinking like studios instead of devotees of cinema. And to say "I'd dump it because I can think like a studio and they always make stupid decisions" means... you can make stupid decisions. Congratulations.
None too happy
by hamo455
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:22:41 AM
If this gets dumped on DVD, as being in NZ I'll never get to see it theatrically. At least in 50 theatres some of you will get that privelege.
Dear WhinyNegativeBitch,
by Womb2dooM
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:23:39 AM
My sign off line was in direct reference to the massive love this site gave to Speed Racer so nice catch. You're incredible. I will speak of you to all my friends. Speed Racer, a love I also share.

Also to reiterate - I wasn't talking about a general DVD column or masses of positive reviews/articles - I think the realisation of a monthly dedicated feature article spotlighting one particular struggling "good" film would be awesome. Every once in a while Harry will post a help 'Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang' and you've got Mori's effort here so what harm can come from making the love consistent? This sort of shit is happening so often with studios or the audiences, I believe it could actually do well. After all, if there is one thing that the most genuine film lovers appreciate, it's a good underdog story!

Think of it as the aintitcool.com equivalent of the period but, you know, you don't want to skip it .... but it will always probably be late.

Humourless wankers. Again
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:25:03 AM
This looks like a great piece of genre shlock that will inevitably die on its arse. However, in 20 years time there will be the next generation of TB-er's raving about it and wondering why it fell off the radar. Fuck's sake- even The Thing was a flop. This has no real backing, no marketing, and there is no belief in it. Therefore it will fail, and the open letter pointing out what is good about it is a good idea.

And yet, you fucking accountants in training crawl out of the woodwork every time with your pathetic psuedo FT bleating about money (as if any of you cunts have shares in the studio), and berating the author for pointing out the fucking obvious. Haven't you got paperclips to count?

That is a good idea from Womb
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:26:24 AM
actually, as much as we may hate to admit it we're a niche market. Therefore to pick one project a month and give it this treatment is a cracking idea.
this should be the mantra repeated at every
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:28:09 AM
one of you bastards that spouts off box office figures or other suchlikes. From Jofex:

"Besides shame on you terds for thinking like studios instead of devotees of cinema. And to say "I'd dump it because I can think like a studio and they always make stupid decisions" means... you can make stupid decisions"

Read and remember, arseholes.

Womb2dooM
by uVa
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:33:27 AM
Great idea. A spotlight feature would be awesome. And Mori, great article. Agreed on all fronts. You're becoming quite the literati lately.
Lost Jarv
by Xiphos_2
Jul 22nd, 2008
04:44:29 AM
That paragraph about accountants in training had me rolling man.

I agree with with the first paragraph you wrote in that post. This looks like fun schlock, fun at the theaters and beer with friends afterwards, fun as a rental with pizza and beer type of movie(Man I'm dying for a pizza and beer right right now).

Those posters really are as you stated, "humorless wankers" indeed. Most of them must have been given a transfusion of M-O-M blood.

negativebitch
by Xiphos_2
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:02:42 AM
Just out of curiosity and sheer boredom, just how much sand do you have jammed in your box? Or is the tampon just overly full and chaffing?

What exactly is the problem you have with a somewhat original movie that's not a sequel, a remake, retread, "reimaging" of a 70's or 80's TV show. BTW Hollywood where's the reimaging of BJ and The Bear?

Are you afraid that you might have 90 minutes of fun and enjoyment? It's alright buddy to have fun at the movies, after all, its entertainment nothing more.

OUTLANDER looks awesome...
by spud mcspud
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:11:45 AM
...And why the hell shouldn't Mori get behind it with an open letter? Just 'cos it's more of a gesture than an active move on his part doesn't render it pointless or useless. It's obvious he has PASSION for this movie - he wants it to do well, and wants the Weinsteins to know too. Why is that a fucking bad thing?

Now GONE - THAT was a bad thing. Truck fuck girl!

I still don't know why the buzz for non-Star Wars Star Wars movies is all about this FANBOYS and yet I hear fuck all about 5-25-77. From what I hear, 5-25-77 > FANBOYS to the Nth degree. Mori - your next assignment is to get behind 5-25-77, get some steam up for Patrick Read Johnson and help get that fucking classic out there on the big screen! I mean... after OUTLANDER, of course.

Weinsteins - there's a fucking HUGE market in the UK for pizza-and-beer late-night-Saturday movies. PLEEEEEEASE do not dump this on DVD. You have no idea how many times I'd go catch this on a big screen - and bring all my mates along in a longboat, just for shits and giggles >:D

WhinyNegativeBitch
by spud mcspud
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:14:29 AM
It's a movie with Vikings and aliens in it. That turns out to be the legend of Beowulf (I think). WHY is that not entertaining?

Y'know, respecting your right to like what you like and all that, but... how do you NOT enjoy a movie with vikings and aliens? That trailer alone pisses on the entire ouevre of Platinum Dunes movies. But then, the gigantic bog otter I set free this morning tops Platinum Dunes' entire slate, so...

WhinyNegativeBitch
by spud mcspud
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:15:14 AM
Hold on. AMERICAN FUCKING IDOL?!?!?!?

Tell me you're being ironic, 'cos that shit does NOT compute.

Whiny...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:26:48 AM
... would it make you feel better if I told you that I thought PATHFINDER was a fucking miserable way to spend an afternoon? OUTLANDER is no PATHFINDER.
And BTW...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:27:50 AM
... I've never used the phrase "turn your brain off" once. I think OUTLANDER has good writing, solid characterization, and it all pays off in a very satisfying way. It's not a "turn your brain off" movie at all. That's the point. That's why I would like to see it treated well.
WNB
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:29:38 AM
Sorry dude, you missed my point.

Basically, I was saying that the article itself publicising the film is a good thing. I personally don't especially give a monkey's if the Weinsteins release it on 1 screen or 10,000. But to come on here and slate the article while wittering about money is fucking tiresome. It isn't about the fucking money- many of my favourite films were commercial disasters, and many of my most hated were tremendously successful.

Wait, Wait, Wait...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:31:03 AM
... "this director's previous work"? What previous work? The two TV movies listed on IMDb that are over a decade old?

Are you seriously telling me that (A) you saw both of those and (B) you remember them in vivid enough detail to proclaim this film unfit because of McCain's work in them?

Look, man, if you don't want to see the film, don't, but what's the gag? Is the talkback handle a shtick you have to live up to?

And Marshall rocks
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:31:17 AM
Even Doomsday.

DOOMSDAY...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:35:12 AM
... didn't much like that one, either. But so what? I still liked THIS one, and that's the point. THIS ONE is good, and I'd hate to see it get dumped. If I give up on all genre films just because I don't like one or two or ten of them, then what's the point?
Hey XI,
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:36:58 AM
How's things?

And furthermore Whiny- I wasn't thinking about Vikings per se, but about shlock. There has been a huge amount of TB's recently with groups of people reminiscing about it- 20 years time there will be the same.

As I said above, we are (as much as we may hate to admit it) a niche market, and an article from our (arguably) leading site putting the spotlight on these kind of films once a month would be great.

I'm looking forward to this one
by Franklin T Marmoset
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:45:35 AM
I must admit, it's the kind of thing I'd rather watch on DVD with some friends and a few beers, but I'm happy for Mori to push it in whatever way might help it. Dragons, aliens, vikings - how can it not be good? Of course, I had a similar response when I heard about Gingerdead Man (A magical murderous biscuit - how can it not be good?) and that one turned out to be sweaty ass.
Wait a sec!!!!
by Womb2dooM
Jul 22nd, 2008
05:58:37 AM
If you add spaces between Y & N and E & B, WhinyNegativeBitch actually spells out the words 'Whiny-Negative-Bitch'! Holy hairy huge donkey balls - what a hilarious, fitting accident! And if your add up every single one of his posts in this here talkback, while he has EASILY written the most, he has NOTHING to say. This is change the sheets stuff we are uncovering here! You've been exposed, WhinyNegativeBitch. We found you out. It took us a while but the evidence is in your handle, "topics" and "statements". Just think, if you hadn't have dribbled on for 15,682 posts, we may never have known the truth hidden behind a cascade of clever contradictions and slight of hand. Maybe switch your calling card to "RantingUnsureWimp" and start afresh. Maybe. Eh? Give it a shot? For old times sake?
The Descent sucked?
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:01:36 AM
getthefuckouttahere.
RYGAR!
by LaserPants
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:25:21 AM
That game was great. This, however, sounds monumentally retarded. Play it for camp / sleaze / exploitation and it might work though.
Jim Caviezel Has The Same Initials As Jesus Christ!
by LaserPants
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:28:49 AM
OMFG! They should cast him in a gratuitous torture porn out of it heavily anti-semetic overtones, making it the first religious porn / neo nazi propaganda film! I wonder who could direct such a thing... hmm... Leni Riefenstahl? No, she's dead (I think) and wants to distance herself from her Nazi past... hmm... Any ideas?
Jim Caviezel Has The Same Initials As Jesus Christ! (Edit)
by LaserPants
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:32:37 AM
OMFG! They should cast him in a gratuitous homoerotic torture porn with heavily anti-semetic overtones, making it the first religious porn / neo nazi propaganda film! I wonder who could direct such a thing... hmm... Leni Riefenstahl? No, she's dead (I think) and wants to distance herself from her Nazi past... hmm... Any ideas?
I actually liked the look of this film from trailers
by Lemming
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:33:44 AM
..they weren't that bad were they?
WNB
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:34:55 AM
You assume that such promotion is a given, but it isn't. That's why a spotlight article as a regular feature would be good.
Open letter to Moriarty
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:36:07 AM
Dear Drew,

Good on you for writing this, and thanks for the entertaining approach. Clearly this is both a shout to anyone who will listen, but it's also a review telling the geek brethren here to perk up their ears and pay attention.

You are utlizing this site in one of the ways that is most satisfying and interesting, as a way to help those movies that deserve a chance.

Me, Im elated to hear it deserves a chance. I've gone to see second tier potential trash I'd never heard of on your reccomendation alone-two instances come to mind. One was Pitch Black. Went with my dad and we both loved it. Later, in 2002, when snow closed the college I attended, I noticed a mystery movie with no reviews or previews had showed up at the local theater. Equilibrium. I looked it up, and sure enough you had a review. Went to it with a few other guys who thought I was crazy and dreamed it was even showing. They all thanked me after the fact.

Point is, what you are doing is good, and encouraging. I wanted to see someone here at AICN step-up and try to help get this thing seen(I advocated that very thing in the last Outlander talkback) and it's good to hear it's worthy of being seen.

Open letter to AICN guys:

Let's rally around Mori on this one. Let's keep the talback going, and lets add our voices as people who want to see this film, whatever it turns out to be, and preferrably in the theater.

Also Drew..
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:40:20 AM
did you see X-Files 2 yet? I want to hear your review if you did. Latauro's seemed like he went in with the wrong mindset. I've heard other positives, so I want some perspective here.
WhinyNegativeBitch...
by Womb2dooM
Jul 22nd, 2008
06:58:02 AM
Thank you for making my point. In that post, without prompting, you segued to CNN, McDonalds and The Descent without once eluding to an actual relevant point. Not that I'm not grateful to waste minutes until sleep but, I guess my point is, does somebody like you know when they are insane, as you clearly are? Like, would you reread your ramblings from top to bottom of this TB and stop and think "Wow, it is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"?

I know this comes off as a personal attack, but seriously, nothing you have posted here is consistent with anything preceding it or even in line with the point of the article. It's the ravings of a mad man. If you have a valid reason for interceding here, fine, but all you have done is detract and abuse without apparent motive.

But thank you again for killing time until z town, populations z.

I love these TB's
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:00:13 AM
They're great.

Even if that portuguese pillock does keep pitching up and ruining them

Yes, it obviously is "Beowulf", but that may not be...
by Stalin vs Predator
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:08:56 AM
...the best thing to say to a studio executive, considering that Crichton and McTiernan had already tried rewriting/refilming "Beowulf" as "Eaters/13th Warrior", and while it was an excellent film, it isn't viewed as such by studio executives, and so the concept isn't fondly remembered by them...

(Well, the saving thing might be the fact that they don't know it was a retelling of Beowulf, either)

Weinsteins are notorious for buying and dumping films
by Nabster
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:26:46 AM
Try reading Down and Dirty Pictures, its about Miramax and Sundance. They have destroyed many film makers fruits of labor. I am sorry to say this open letter is beyond futile, if anything it will only aggravate the Weinsteins. It would be great if the Weinsteins treated every movie with respect, but not every movie can or even should get a wide release. Ultimately we'll only be able to judge this after seeing the film, it looks cool, but also understandable studio heads would be inclined to think it will bomb on screen.
Mori is pretty pissed these days.
by DerLanghaarige
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:29:55 AM
It seems like that. But hey, I can understand you. I'm on your side! Can'T wait to see it. Maybe it gets a better treatment in europe (although it will probably strong cut in Germany. Even Iron Man and Hulk were :P)
Mori - don't feed the trolls
by Sebilrazen
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:39:29 AM
They get some sick glee (and part of your soul) when you respond to them
WNB seems to be all over the place
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:43:30 AM
I don't know why he or anyone else would have a problem with Drew posting a letter they sent to a studio head, especially for a movie that's been given a limited release.

I remember walking into Dark City having not seen a trailer, article or review for it. I liked the poster outside the theater, my friend and I were intrigued and we walked in not knowing what the movie was about or who was in it. Two hours later I walked out of the theater and asked my friend, "What just happened?" I couldn't register the perfection I had just witnessed up on the screen without any advance knowledge of it. Outlander might not be Dark City, but I get the feeling it deserves a fighting chance to be more than a cult favorite.

HOD
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:54:28 AM
Had much the same experience with Dark City. In fact my dad and I were so psyched by how good it was, we stopped at the second run theater on the way home to catch another movie, and picked another we hadnt heard of before. Gattaca. And it too was awesome.
Provided Outlander gets the chance
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:55:04 AM
it deserves, my dad and I will be there opening night for it.
With the domination of bloody Odeon
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
07:57:02 AM
it's getting hard to do that in the UK.

Last film I managed it with was Dog Soldiers. Which rocks. And I don't care what you think WNB. It rocks.

Gattaca and Dog Soldiers
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:01:25 AM
Two different movies but once again, two movies that got zero support from the studio, both of which I walked into knowing next to nothing about and walked out feeling blindsided by how awesome they were.
See If Drew
by SnakesOnABicycle
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:01:55 AM
actually felt secure in his open letter statements, he wouldn't be defending them so angrily right now. Harry doesn't usually do this, because he lives in a fantasy land and just doesn't care. Mori however gets pissed because he sometimes realizes when he's made a ass of himself. Sorry, MAESTRO, but it's true.
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
by Drunken Rage
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:03:28 AM
No, but I got a hummer in the front row during an afternoon screening of Jean-Claude Van Damme's "Sudden Death." Is that close?
Caviezel IS superman
by ironic_name
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:03:42 AM
search your yadda yadda.
I'm trying to think what else I've done it with
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:09:59 AM
I remember seeing a Helen Mirren film called The Hawk. Which wasn't great.
Jonah and Jarv
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:20:44 AM
Good open letter dude. I'm with you on that. Keep up the good work Mori.

Jarv, it has been a while dude.

What's with Bale beating up his mom and sister?
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:21:57 AM
Jarv, any help with that story?
TKD
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:25:19 AM
Give me a minute....
toadkillerdog
by ironic_name
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:26:07 AM
they wouldn't tell him where to find the clown, he pushed them off a second storey fire rail.
OK. It's an appalingly fascist paper
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:26:54 AM
but can probably be relied on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ tvshowbiz/article-1037174/Batm an-star-Christian-Bale-arreste d-assault-claims-brought-mothe r-sister.html

or even worse
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:27:27 AM
From The Scum:

http://www.thesun.co.u k/sol/homepage/news/article145 3926.ece

I saw it this morning
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:28:12 AM
It's been an excuse for the hacks to wheel out the old 60's batman gags:

Holy Punch Up, Batman!

ironic_name
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:28:13 AM
Well, that will guarantee a bigger box office - bad boys always draw!
or
by ironic_name
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:29:11 AM
http://tinyurl.com/5lk9ul
I wouldn't put too much store in it frankly
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:29:13 AM
To begin with- why would they go to Hampshire when it happened in Central London? That's daft. I suspect they are being a pair of money grubbing slags.
yes, I know
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:29:45 AM
Tinyurl is my friend. I just couldn't be arsed.
And yet, still no INGLORIOUS BASTARDS script review...
by TopHat
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:31:50 AM
Muahahahahahahahahaha!
I get to see TDK on saturday
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:32:44 AM
paying a bit more so me and Mrs Jarv can have a sofa and Waitress to bring me beer.
"this isn't the war my mother warned me about"
by ironic_name
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:33:08 AM
whoops..

john connor :- sisterminator.

Jarv
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:34:29 AM
That is a perfect setting. A couch and a brew. Those types of theatres are sprouting up around the U.S. now.
It's worth it for 3 reasons
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:39:42 AM
It only costs £10

It's in a far nicer bit of London than the one we normally go to- so less chavs

It's clean.

None of these things you can say about Camden Odeon, where the tenner saved actually results in 2 uncomfortable people in a bad mood due to mobile phone plague, dirty bastards, and the fact that we've been sitting in a bin.

It generally doesn't show what we want to see though, this is the exception.

And a happy Mrs. Jarv is a very Happy Lost Jarv
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:44:00 AM
Changing the subject - yet again -because that is what Changian's do! I watched a back-to-back Tony Jaa. Ong-Bak and Tom Yum Goong. Wow! It was like dropping acid after snorting two lines of coke and drinking a snapple!

Yes, I saw them before, but not back-to-back, Someone should have warned me of Tony Jaa overdose!

Couch and a Brew
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:45:42 AM
It's called ManLand and it's above my garage. And Newcastle, Corona and Guinness are always on tap.

Seriously, I wish my local theaters had amenities like this and didn't require a police presence at night to break up the ruffians.

HOD
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:47:39 AM
You will get them soon enough a chain of theatres like that is slowly rolling out here.
Toad
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:49:23 AM
I watched Tom Yum Goong again two weeks ago. I was sloshed by the time he made his way up the spiral staircase but I see something new everytime I watch it.
Garage?
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:50:02 AM
Luxury. Pah.

At least we've got more than one telly so she can bugger off into the other room. She does bring beer though. Albeit a touch ungraciously.

Independant Cinemas are great
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:51:16 AM
and to be honest, I think they are totally worth the few quid more.

I still wouldn't see Speed Racer, even if the cinema provided me with a blow job and enough cocaine to floor Oasis.

HOD
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:53:48 AM
My faviorite scene in Ong-Bak - besides the obligatory love that the flaming leg kicks gets, is the first fight scene. When he just destroys the dude with one thigh smash across the chest, and he just looks like it was absolutely nothing. The crowd is just stunned. I love that scene.
That's a great scene
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:55:36 AM
Although, really, I struggle to pick a favourite.

Mrs Jarv is not a fan of Martial Arts movies. She's starting to like schlock and loves horror, but draws the line at "grown men pretending to beat each other up". Mystifyingly, she gets a bit shitty when I pointed out that Atonement, was "Grown men pretending to be from the early part of the 20th century".

Jarv, has she ever watched Crouching Tiger?
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
08:59:02 AM
Yes, I know it is more operatic than ass-kicking, but there are some great wire scenes in it, that could be used to ease Mrs. Jarv into the genre. If nothing else, maybe the tissue factor will get you some lovin. It worked for me!
She has.
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:00:01 AM
But unfortunately I fucking despise that overrated angst fest. So I can't sit through it again.
To digress a wee bit
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:04:58 AM
Does anyone honestly give a shit about that X-Files movie?

What little interest I had has been killed when I found out that Billy "Scottish Steve Martin (used to be funny in the 80's- now appears in dreck)" Connoly was in it.

Hmm, well, What about Hero?
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:07:42 AM
Although if you do not like Tiger you might not like that one either. Still, the tissue factor is very high and women just respond.
Hero did not bug me anywhere near as much as CTHD
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:10:40 AM
And I managed to get her through house of the flying daggers. But she starts to talk bollocks about the use of colour. And therefore misses the point.
Jarv
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:10:50 AM
Is it just the sight of grown men beating each other up without an engaging story around it or she just plain doesn't like the kicking and the punching and the biting and the "Oy, that shattered leg is going to hurt in the morning"? Because the latter can be rectified as Hong Kong does put out the occassional movie with style and substance.

My own private movie theater is upstairs in the bonus room but that room is the only room upstairs and it just so happens it's above the garage which is fortunate as the room isn't soundproofed.

um... Midnight... Meat Train? maybe?
by necgray
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:13:19 AM
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
X-Files
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:14:50 AM
I only ever saw one episode of the show and rented the movie because I was bored and had seen everything else on the shelf.

That was what, 9 years ago? I think they waited too long and the fan support just isn't there anymore. This isn't Indy where 19 years later people are still chomping at the bit for a new movie. It's friggin X-Files. I don't know why they bothered.

Outlander looks like a great time
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:15:49 AM
Why get in a hub-bub over what Mori wrote? How does it impact you at all? I probably won't see it in the theater...probably...but I'll definitely watch that puppy on DVD.

Doomsday won't be available til the end of the month.

I watched Kill Zone
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:16:11 AM
Much better than I expected it to be. It had a real storyline, that only occasionally erupted into fight scenes. Still it was much better than City of Violence. That was very boring. HOD I need more recomendations.
I hate crounching tiger...never saw Hero
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:17:32 AM
I'm against wire-fu when it's supposed to be a martial arts movie.

Tony Jaa...Donnie Yen...that's what I'm talking about.

I think she sets her sights too high with it.
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:18:01 AM
She's got some kind of mental block (A la Memories) where she thinks that quality needs to exist on some artistic level unless it's pure schlock garbage.

Hence liking Flying Daggers, Hero, and Crouching Tiger, but hating more visceral stuff.

It's very annoying, frankly.

Hola Pillow
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:18:26 AM
Damn, someone round up Abom, and Doc, and lets turn this into a serious Changian TB!
Kill Zone was great
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:18:28 AM
My next one up will be Flash Point, per Mr. Hawaiian.
actually, I blame Jet Li for it
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:19:32 AM
In all honesty she was quite open to them until I made the mistake of putting on Romeo Must Die. Since then she's been really, really anti them
hey toad...
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:19:52 AM
The alley fight scene in Kill Zone...nothing in those wire-fu movies can remotely compare to that bad-assery.
Doc is on a binge at the moment
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:20:18 AM
and Abom has been sighted in TDK TB. Which I'm staying out of.
Kiss of the Dragon is much better than Romeo
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:21:13 AM
Should have had that one be the one that put her off on them.
K-O-D is much better
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:23:14 AM
but Romeo has the X-Ray gimmick.

Which is cool.

unfortunately my wife figured out the netflix password
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:24:01 AM
So next up are (fuck me) No Reservations and The Other Boyleyn Girl. Such a missed opportunity there with a nice lesbian scene...

Sunshine will follow, but it matters not right now since my summer class is playing ping pong with my balls right now.

I keep hearing mixed things about Flashpoint
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:24:05 AM
I was burned on City of Violence so I want a solid recomendation before I get Flashpoint.
fear not the darkness toad...
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:25:35 AM
If it's shit, it is...but I must take the journey.
Other Boleyn Girl
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:25:58 AM
Awful. Go out to the pub and let her watch it. Or take Pillowling down the park.

Honestly, I can't stress this enough. Hideous, hideous, turgid poorly acted, miscast boring piece of crap.

I'm thinking I may move Pistol Whipped up
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:26:38 AM
to view in my next go-around of movies.

Think I need to see the pony-tail in action.

Has anyone seen The Lives Of Others?
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:27:21 AM
Lovefilm bumped City of Men off and replaced it with this. Is it any good?

And they bumped The Car down the list, but replaced that with Exorcist 3 so I'm not too upset on that one.

Pillow did you watch 10,000 BC?
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:28:37 AM
I have not seen that one. I have heard bad things about it as well.
toad - yes, skip it
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:30:50 AM
It was not the chaotic mess I had hoped for...just a bland movie..not even any funny kills. The only thing that made me chuckle was the blind seer they had tucked underneath the floor in a city holding cell. They took him out...he said a few things...guards were coming back, so they tucked him underneath the floor again.
damn...who knew I'd rather do school work
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:34:54 AM
than watch a movie.

Governmental Accounting never sounded so...er....good?

Lives of Others
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:37:36 AM
Jarv, Lives of Others is a phenomenal film. I was originally indignant when it won best foreign oscar over Pan's Labyrinth, but when I finally saw it I understood. It's really something special. And it's better than City of Men(which was good, but not THAT good).

And Exorcist 3 is brilliant just because it has George C. Scott barking irritatedly at Satan. Geez, I love that movie.

The Other Missed Movie
by MediaNerd
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:39:55 AM
Following that money link in the letter...why did I not know about a Houdini movie starring Guy Pearce? That alone sounds brilliant.

Good for you standing up for what you believe in Moriarty. The marketing system in films needs to be re-created as the current format is less then ideal.
Toad
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:44:18 AM
Did you see Invisible Target yet? If not, that should be number one on your list. Sorry about CoV. It started off slow and had trouble keeping my attention at times but that knife fight at the end was a great payoff. However, I can totally see where you're coming from.

You won't get burned with Invisible Target though (has ANYONE seen it?) as people are blown away while the opening credits are still rolling.

Flash Point is a mixed bag. Some very good fight scenes and an actual story but I found the story muddled as hell so I was disappointed and have trouble recommending it beyond the third act.

I've heard good things about The Lives of Others.

romeo must die has grace park kissing another girl
by ironic_name
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:47:13 AM
A friend who just returned from overseas
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:47:43 AM
Brought me a copy of Doomsday that looks......er......pirated. I'm thinking of bringing a bottle of rum upstairs and watching that tonight.
Don't forget Jonah..
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Jul 22nd, 2008
09:56:44 AM
Exorcist 3 also has one of the biggest 'jump' scenes I have ever winessed. I dropped my drink when I saw it. You know the one I'm talking about in the hospital...
So I'll watch it rather than just return it
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:02:24 AM
Admittedly COM was picked because of City of God.
The Lives Of Others
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:05:22 AM
Indeed it's a fantastic film with a great twist at the end. I personally would say Pan's Labyrinth is better but both are phenomenal.
I've moved up Invisible Target in Flashpoint's place
by just pillow talk
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:05:52 AM
I'm not knocking it,
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:06:53 AM
but it pisses me off that Lovefilm arbitrarily takes off mine and the missus' selections for what they think we want to watch.

If this was the first time I'd be OK, but they swapped in Ordinary People. I sat through it and fucking hated every boring second.

I did enjoy Amadeus last weekend, though.

Doomsday
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:08:33 AM
absolutely requires Alcohol. Stupid mess does not even begin to describe it.

I totally enjoyed it, though.

HAving said this, Rhona Mitra is a complete fucking talent vacuum, and hopelessly miscast. She is very easy on the eye though.

HOD
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:11:43 AM
Thanks dude. Yes, the ending scene of CoV was almost worth slogging through the rest of the movie. Hell, just watch that sceen and forget the rest of the movie!
and now I think about it
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:14:00 AM
the shitheels have still not got Army of Darkness.
Fred watched City of Violence too
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:16:18 AM
Fred not like it.
Pans is better than Lives
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:17:33 AM
but I could understand how it won over Pan's. Unlike other choices the Academy makes, where you sit there, just amazed. Crash over any of those other movies for example.
Fred just watched Army of Darkness on Free movie channel
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:17:48 AM
Fred enjoyed that. Fred enjoyed Bubba HoTep too.
Hello Jonah Echo
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:19:02 AM
Will this TB turn into another B movie love-a-thon?
So when do we all don John Hurt
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:19:34 AM
and Ron Perlman masks(and some dress as Jesus for good measure) and unite outside the Weinstein offices demanding the release of Outlander?
On a slightly different note
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:20:40 AM
There's been an overabundance of stupidity around here recently. The latest piece is Harry (himself) thinking that I Know What You Did Last Summer is better than Scream- and a load of morons crawled out from under their rocks to agree with him.

This shit is maddening, even if you take into account all the flaws in Scream, it was still an important piece of cinema. Does no-one remember the state of Horror before it?

In fact, looking at the current state of horror, we could almost do with another one.

I support the cause..so lets do it..
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:20:52 AM
Please no Crash hate AGAIN.
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:21:09 AM
That argumant is as stale as day old bread. Besides only latently racist assholes with no taste hated Crash.
the b-movie discussion, I mean...not
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:21:19 AM
the hurt mask debacle.
Hobo..you know me at this point..
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:22:27 AM
Im just pointing out I personally didnt think it was as good as the other choices. I didnt even say anything negative about it, except it was out of it's league. I think that is acceptable.
that was a bit pompous
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:22:33 AM
what I meant is that Scream neatly killed off all the tired conventions that were in every fucking movie before it. It was a genuinly good film, albeit one that hasn't aged well.

I don't blame Scream for it's sequels, or knock offs (IKWYDLS, Cherry Falls, Valentine, and so forth)

IKWYDLS better than Scream???
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:22:55 AM
You've got to be kidding me? WTF? Ignorance is rampant on this site lately isn't it?
I know Jonah.
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:23:49 AM
I was just teasing.
Bubba Ho-Tep
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:23:52 AM
Now there's a movie that deserves more love. Me and the mates were laughing like fiends from beginning to end. I should dust it off this week.

An online rental service that removes your choices for their own doesn't seen right to me. The first time they did that, I'd drop a steaming dump in their envelope and send the movie back.

Fred not see Crash.
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:25:36 AM
What made Scream so important? It not seem that much to Fred?
Actually, on Crash
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:25:59 AM
As much as I didn't like it- I think it is probably the best film of those nominated that year- Brokeback Mountain bored me to tears, Munich is heavily flawed, Capote overrated, and I haven't seen Good Night and Good Luck.

It isn't better than Tsotsi though, but that was foriegn language.

I don't think Crash deserved to win the Oscar either.
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:26:18 AM
Brokeback was EXTREMELY overrated. It should have gone to Capote.
I saw scream for the first time on cable a few years ago
by toadkillerdog
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:28:06 AM
I am not a Teen horror flick afficiando, so it did nothing for me. I did chuckle a few times though.
Fred
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:28:47 AM
Scream was important because of the state of horror before it.

The late eighties/ early nineties were not good times for the horror movie. All that came out were tired, shitey, derivative slasher movies (really, halloween has a lot to answer for). The postmodern structure of scream, although it became tiresome very fucking quickly, gave them an opportunity to basically deconstruct and debunk all the conventions. And they took it brilliantly. At the time, Scream felt fresh, funny, innovative.

Now it feels trite and hackneyed due to the endless imitations. But it really was a watershed movie.

I was knocked flat by Capote.
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:29:06 AM
And I wish harm on anyone who says that elitist bullshit Infamous was the better film.
Scream needs looking at in context
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:29:32 AM
Now, it aint so much. Back then? It was a very, very good fucking thing.
yea, I guess crash and brokeback were in
by Jonah Echo
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:30:06 AM
the same league. I skip over them and think of Munich, Capote and Good Night, all of which I quite liked. But hey, Im the freak that would have nominated King Kong if you let me.
Infamous was not better than Capote
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:30:17 AM
but the central performance was almost as good as Hoffman's.
Of that year-
by Lost Jarv
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:31:32 AM
the nomination list was suprisingly poor.

It's almost as bad as when Million Dollar Baby won. No way in fuck was that the best film. And don't get me started on Forrest Gump/ Titanic etc. You can do this all day.

Lost Jarv summed up Scream perfectly.
by HoboCode
Jul 22nd, 2008
10:31:37 AM
Word.